macintosh OSX emacs: copy/paste

macintosh OSX emacs: copy/paste

[Greg Trafton]

Hi, All.  I'm using emacs on a macintosh running OS 10.2.3.  one
problem I have is that when I want to copy something from a mac
application (like mozilla or word) into emacs, I copy it to the
clipboard, but apple-v / paste does not work.  (the reverse is true
also: I can't copy stuff from emacs into a separate document or
application) instead, the apple key seems to be a control key, so
emacs is essentially not using the macintosh copy/paste properly.

when I was running (x)emacs on a linux box, I had a 3 button mouse
and could copy/paste with selection/second mouse key.  If this is the
preferred method of dealing with this problem i can get a 3 button
mouse ;-)

A second thing I would like to know how to do is in Oort Gnus v0.12,
drag and drop an attachment into a mac folder.  I'll post in the gnus
newsgroup a bit later about this if no one in this group knows how to
do this.

here is the emacs-version info:
GNU Emacs 21.3.50.4 (powerpc-apple-darwin6.3) of 2002-12-21 on
cabledoc126.frazmtn.com

thanks in advance!
greg

Re: macintosh OSX emacs: copy/paste

[Hugo Wolf]

In <m2adhq1qmt.fsf@resume.itd.nrl.navy.mil> Greg Trafton  wrote:
> I copy it to the
> clipboard, but apple-v / paste does not work. 

The command (apple) key is treated by emacs either as alt or as meta, 
depending on your configuration.  In general it doesn't work like a 
command key in the MacOS sense (except for cmd-H).  

For paste into emacs use mouse-middle or emacs' Edit menu.


> (the reverse is true
> also: I can't copy stuff from emacs into a separate document or
> application) 

Any text you mark in emacs is effectively "copied".  So just mark it in 
emacs and hit cmd-V in other OSX apps. 



> instead, the apple key seems to be a control key

By default it's meta, and option is alt.  You can swap these via 

 (setq mac-command-key-is-meta nil)



> emacs is essentially not using the macintosh copy/paste properly.

It's doing what window'd emacs has always done.



> when I was running (x)emacs on a linux box, I had a 3 button mouse
> and could copy/paste with selection/second mouse key.  If this is the
> preferred method of dealing with this problem i can get a 3 button
> mouse ;-)

You should get a 2-button+wheel mouse anyway (the wheel can be clicked 
for mouse-middle) .  They're really cheap and they're useful not only in 
carbon emacs but also in Aqua in general (Cocoa apps in particular) and 
in X11. 



> A second thing I would like to know how to do is in Oort Gnus v0.12,
> drag and drop an attachment into a mac folder. 

There isn't much drag&drop support in this version of emacs.  You can 
drag files from the Finder into emacs and it will open a buffer for them, 
but afaik that's about it. I don't know about gnus specifically, since I 
never use it (too slow).

Re: macintosh OSX emacs: copy/paste

[Piet van Oostrum]

>>>>> Greg Trafton <trafton@itd.nrl.navy.mil> (GT) writes:

GT> Hi, All.  I'm using emacs on a macintosh running OS 10.2.3.  one
GT> problem I have is that when I want to copy something from a mac
GT> application (like mozilla or word) into emacs, I copy it to the
GT> clipboard, but apple-v / paste does not work.  (the reverse is true
GT> also: I can't copy stuff from emacs into a separate document or
GT> application) instead, the apple key seems to be a control key, so
GT> emacs is essentially not using the macintosh copy/paste properly.

GT> when I was running (x)emacs on a linux box, I had a 3 button mouse
GT> and could copy/paste with selection/second mouse key.  If this is the
GT> preferred method of dealing with this problem i can get a 3 button
GT> mouse ;-)

GT> A second thing I would like to know how to do is in Oort Gnus v0.12,
GT> drag and drop an attachment into a mac folder.  I'll post in the gnus
GT> newsgroup a bit later about this if no one in this group knows how to
GT> do this.

GT> here is the emacs-version info:
GT> GNU Emacs 21.3.50.4 (powerpc-apple-darwin6.3) of 2002-12-21 on
GT> cabledoc126.frazmtn.com

IS this emacs running in a Terminal window or The GUI (Carbon) Emacs?
I don't have any problems with the latter, only with the standard
keybinding Copy is M-w and Paste is C-y. The 3 button mouse also works,
but you may have to put some incantations in your .emacs file.
-- 
Piet van Oostrum <piet@cs.uu.nl>
URL: http://www.cs.uu.nl/~piet [PGP]
Private email: P.van.Oostrum@hccnet.nl

Re: macintosh OSX emacs: copy/paste

[Greg Trafton]

Hugo Wolf <hwolf@deutsches.lieder.net> writes:

> In <m2adhq1qmt.fsf@resume.itd.nrl.navy.mil> Greg Trafton  wrote:
>> I copy it to the
>> clipboard, but apple-v / paste does not work. 
>
> The command (apple) key is treated by emacs either as alt or as meta, 
> depending on your configuration.  In general it doesn't work like a 
> command key in the MacOS sense (except for cmd-H).  
>
> For paste into emacs use mouse-middle or emacs' Edit menu.

emacs' Edit menu doesn't seem to work in my case; I copy something in
mozilla (or word) and the "select and paste" in Edit doesn't show
what I copied.  but I'll get a 2 button with wheel and hope that will
fix it.

>> (the reverse is true
>> also: I can't copy stuff from emacs into a separate document or
>> application) 
>
> Any text you mark in emacs is effectively "copied".  So just mark it in 
> emacs and hit cmd-V in other OSX apps. 

yes!  that worked, great, thanks!  (duh on my part ;-)

thanks!
greg

Re: macintosh OSX emacs: copy/paste

[Kai Großjohann]

Greg Trafton <trafton@itd.nrl.navy.mil> writes:

> Hi, All.  I'm using emacs on a macintosh running OS 10.2.3.  one
> problem I have is that when I want to copy something from a mac
> application (like mozilla or word) into emacs, I copy it to the
> clipboard, but apple-v / paste does not work.

Does C-y work to paste it in Emacs?

Maybe S-<insert> also works?

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Re: macintosh OSX emacs: copy/paste

[Hugo Wolf]

In <m2d6mme5ab.fsf@resume.itd.nrl.navy.mil> Greg Trafton  wrote:
>> For paste into emacs use mouse-middle or emacs' Edit menu.
> 
> emacs' Edit menu doesn't seem to work

Oops, you're right, it doesn't.  Ctl-y should work though.

It _is_ possible to a limited extent to get Mac-like behavior with the 
command key.  You can do this by making command be alt (and option be 
meta), and then binding cut&paste functions to alt-v, alt-x, alt-c etc.  
But this is in some ways worse than nothing, since it behaves a little 
like MacOS but not that much.  Better just to put your emacs hat on when 
you run emacs and forget about the underlying platform altogether...

Re: macintosh OSX emacs: copy/paste

[Greg Trafton]

kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> Greg Trafton <trafton@itd.nrl.navy.mil> writes:
>
>> Hi, All.  I'm using emacs on a macintosh running OS 10.2.3.  one
>> problem I have is that when I want to copy something from a mac
>> application (like mozilla or word) into emacs, I copy it to the
>> clipboard, but apple-v / paste does not work.
>
> Does C-y work to paste it in Emacs?

Yikes!  C-y DOES work.  I didn't even think to try it since I "knew"
it wouldn't work.

thanks!
greg
(only been using emacs for about a decade ;-)

Re: macintosh OSX emacs: copy/paste

[Kester Clegg]

Greg Trafton <trafton@itd.nrl.navy.mil> writes:

> kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> 
> > Greg Trafton <trafton@itd.nrl.navy.mil> writes:
> >
> >> Hi, All.  I'm using emacs on a macintosh running OS 10.2.3.  one
> >> problem I have is that when I want to copy something from a mac
> >> application (like mozilla or word) into emacs, I copy it to the
> >> clipboard, but apple-v / paste does not work.
> >
> > Does C-y work to paste it in Emacs?
> 
> Yikes!  C-y DOES work.  I didn't even think to try it since I "knew"
> it wouldn't work.

I must confess I have the below in mine too, for ever so slightly
different reasons... 

(global-set-key "\C-v" 'yank)			; paste clipboard like M$

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Re: macintosh OSX emacs: copy/paste

[Kai Großjohann]

Kester Clegg <kester@cs.york.ac.uk> writes:

> I must confess I have the below in mine too, for ever so slightly
> different reasons... 
>
> (global-set-key "\C-v" 'yank)			; paste clipboard like M$

I've started to use CUA mode, and I love it.

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Re: macintosh OSX emacs: copy/paste

[Kester Clegg]

kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> I've started to use CUA mode, and I love it.

Thanks for that, it seems nice.  Meant I had to remap the keys for
flicking through buffers, but CUA-mode seems worth it.  :-)

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Tel (01904) 43 27 49			email: kester at cs.york.ac.uk
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