From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Issues with emacs Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:21:57 +0300 Message-ID: <83zk7sa7ui.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bokbb4zw.fsf@gnu.org> <4FE6C7F1.4070805@easy-emacs.de> <838vfcbssc.fsf@gnu.org> <4FE75094.5010804@easy-emacs.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340562142 759 80.91.229.3 (24 Jun 2012 18:22:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:22:22 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 24 20:22:20 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SirRz-0004wv-Qg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:22:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41245 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SirRz-0002gW-9X for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:22:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60086) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SirRt-0002gQ-BG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:22:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SirRr-0001r3-IX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:22:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:42847) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SirRr-0001qx-AA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:22:11 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M6400B00WAU3K00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:21:51 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.210.75]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M6400BDVWCE0840@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:21:51 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <4FE75094.5010804@easy-emacs.de> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.175 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85435 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:38:28 +0200 > From: Andreas R=F6hler >=20 > Am 24.06.2012 18:04, schrieb Eli Zaretskii: > >> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:55:29 +0200 > >> From: Andreas R=F6hler > >> > >> Luckily there are a lot of tutorial suitable for beginners in th= e net. > > > > As well as bundled with the distribution, so no need to go look f= or > > them on the net. >=20 > hmm, can't see it. May you point me to? "C-h t" or "C-u C-h t". > Well, should you have in mind what's visible from emacs -q, that's = just not so suitable for beginners IMO, > that's non-didactic hard-core key-stroke lesson. Then suggesting improvements for it is the best way to help beginners. TIA.