From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 19:23:35 +0300 Message-ID: <83zj5bkrqw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fv77barj.fsf@gnu.org> <87zj5fgpd8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83h9rnp0yy.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3qnl70z.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <837fsfm7gq.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431361471 29193 80.91.229.3 (11 May 2015 16:24:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 16:24:31 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 11 18:24:19 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YrqV8-0003zq-AP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 18:24:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38691 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrqV7-0007wy-4g for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 12:24:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35003) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrqUt-0007we-KC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 12:24:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrqUq-0005uL-2E for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 12:24:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:55235) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrqUp-0005uE-Pl for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 12:23:59 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NO700A0019G0300@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 19:23:47 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NO7009HO1JLTF80@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 19:23:47 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104388 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 12:12:43 -0400 > > > Waste of the student's time, if you ask me. > > You (and the current tutorial) assume that the reader of the tutorial > has decided he's going to use Emacs and wants to figure out how to use > it efficiently. > > That's good for that use case. But there are other use cases, such as > someone who's intrigued and wants to "check it out". In that case, the > tutorial should mostly try and showcase what you can do with Emacs. Which is why I said (and you elided) that I won't mind if such a section would be added.