From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs for Windows Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 17:18:39 +0300 Message-ID: <83wq868zb4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <874mvcc1jh.fsf@gmail.com> <83d2a0bfwu.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4so9jjy.fsf@gnu.org> <83vbns9d5j.fsf@gnu.org> <83bnpjaipi.fsf@gnu.org> <83a953aebr.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413037168 9451 80.91.229.3 (11 Oct 2014 14:19:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 14:19:28 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 11 16:19:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XcxVt-00059G-4m for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:19:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54291 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XcxVs-00042O-M5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:19:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34414) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XcxVd-00041S-OZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:19:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XcxVU-0007jf-Ci for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:19:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:45294) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XcxVU-0007jI-4n for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:18:52 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NDA008009UJ4Q00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 17:18:50 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NDA008GMAFE0S20@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 17:18:50 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:100411 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 09:26:15 -0400 > > >> How is that going to tell you when a bugfix release has been released? > > You watch the site where you downloaded the previous one from. > > Right, and of course that's a different site for each package. To me > that reads "nightmare" ;-) That's an exaggeration: there are maybe 2 or sites to watch. > >> How is that going to choose where to unzip? > > It doesn't. _You_ decide. Some see that as an advantage. > > I can definitely see the advantage of doing things manually, but in my > experience, the majority of users is not very disciplined, so this one > reads like "big mess". Complaints (or rather lack thereof) on my site is evidence to the contrary. > >> How is that going to uninstall the old version? > > > No need, the new files will overwrite the old ones. > > >> And of course, you end up with umpteen copies of the dependencies, but > >> I guess only anal-retentive nit pickers will care about the wasted disk > >> and RAM space. > > Exactly. Besides, other packages, not yet updated, could still need > > the old dependencies anyway. > > So as long as there's no new release of Emacs (say), you'll keep on > using whichever version of the libraries was current at the time, with > their security bugs and all. Yay! In that hypothetical situation, I have no choice: the updated library will most probably be incompatible with the Emacs binary built against the older one. I must wait till The Powers That Be produce a new Emacs binary for me (or build it myself -- which is how the ezwinports site started). > > The other form is some kind of installer. > > Which wouldn't make any difference, except maybe in choosing the place > where you install the files, which is the more minor of the problems. That's not the point. The point is, there are no requests to use an installer. Give up, Stefan! You see grave problems where there are at most minor ones, or none at all.