From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Major and minor modes Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:59:00 +0300 Message-ID: <83poe41kqz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5202e0d6-4476-4e97-a5cb-f1ee66d562c3@default> <366AD726-AE6A-4138-909E-DCA3C9F2B203@gmail.com> <83y3su3axp.fsf@gnu.org> <41AE1409-13B6-404F-BE28-FE43D482360B@gmail.com> <83bmpp2svz.fsf@gnu.org> <1750a088-5dfd-4aba-8d45-1e013f587ed7@default> <0e512810-e486-474d-9c71-5eceac5838a5@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1497596410 20209 195.159.176.226 (16 Jun 2017 07:00:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 07:00:10 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 16 09:00:02 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dLlEe-0004oG-85 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:00:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57363 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dLlEj-0003ll-CI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:00:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49188) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dLlDn-0003T4-Rk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 02:59:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dLlDj-0002o4-Ub for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 02:59:07 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37131) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dLlDj-0002o0-R7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 02:59:03 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4496 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dLlDi-0006j7-Sv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 02:59:03 -0400 In-reply-to: <0e512810-e486-474d-9c71-5eceac5838a5@default> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:07:17 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:113485 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 20:07:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > > Shall we move this discussion to emacs-devel ? > > I would say no (but feel free). Eli will decide anyway, > and probably already has. It wasn't my decision. And you-all seem to misunderstand my part in this thread: I was just trying to explain Jean-Christophe's observations, that's all. I didn't put those directives into the manual, and I don't really know why that was done. You can use "git annotate" to see who did, and then try asking them why did they do that, or do more forensics I did and find a discussion which led to the change. > I don't see much point in a big discussion about it. It's not a > very big deal. I agree. I also trust those who did it that this was done for some valid reason, not out of negligence or incompetence. The Emacs project treats documentation very seriously, and no such change back in 2004 could be sneaked without RMS approving it. If, after all that, someone still wants to open a discussion about that, feel free.