From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Using R-mail in Emacs Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 09:32:04 +0300 Message-ID: <83pnx6caaj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <861s9wdytg.fsf@zoho.com> <86worocffa.fsf@zoho.com> <86o9czder0.fsf@zoho.com> <86in36df2x.fsf@zoho.com> <86efdud83a.fsf@zoho.com> <86a7oicu8u.fsf@zoho.com> <20180920180910704706461@bob.proulx.com> <86bm8qbzt9.fsf@zoho.com> <86va6yafq6.fsf@zoho.com> <86in2ya5kh.fsf@zoho.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1537597852 8246 195.159.176.226 (22 Sep 2018 06:30:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 06:30:52 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 22 08:30:48 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g3bRI-00025c-Br for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 08:30:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58547 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g3bTO-0007F3-TX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 02:32:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43686) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g3bSp-0007Ah-4I for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 02:32:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g3bSk-00036Q-61 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 02:32:23 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50895) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g3bSk-00036M-2L for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 02:32:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4440 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g3bSj-0002z2-K5 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 02:32:17 -0400 In-reply-to: <86in2ya5kh.fsf@zoho.com> (message from Emanuel Berg on Fri, 21 Sep 2018 23:44:46 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:117976 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 23:44:46 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > It was originally developed as part of Gnus, > > yes. But nowadays, simple.el says: > > > > (defcustom mail-user-agent 'message-user-agent > > > > And if you try typing "C-x m" in "emacs -Q", > > you will be placed in message composition > > buffer under message-mode, even though Gnus > > is nowhere in sight. > > OK, I got this finally sorted out. If one is > sending e-mail from Emacs, one is using Gnus. Not Gnus, message-mode. That message.el lives in the lisp/gnus directory doesn't mean it cannot be used without any relation to Gnus. > But that doesn't matter because the concept of > an e-mail client doesn't include the composing > of e-mails, only the reading of them. Bam! Exactly. The relation to Gnus/Rmail ends when you invoke the reply command (or any similar commands): those invoke message.el (or any other user-agent package -- we have at least one other in Emacs) as appropriate for replying to a received message; then they let message-mode do its job.