From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Speeding up Emacs load time Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:57:33 +0300 Message-ID: <83k3kq2xrm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r4ezdiiy.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87r4ez92ry.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87txjv7gen.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87r4ey3jjd.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373997581 12017 80.91.229.3 (16 Jul 2013 17:59:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:59:41 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 16 19:59:43 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Uz9XL-0002Bh-5E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:59:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42729 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uz9XK-00010P-R6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:59:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48727) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uz9VM-0006Nm-61 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:57:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uz9VI-0003Dm-I6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:57:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:44851) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uz9VI-0003D9-91 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:57:36 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MQ100400J567V00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:57:28 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MQ10048DJ7S6P30@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:57:28 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87r4ey3jjd.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.175 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92161 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:07:18 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > We must have very different thresholds of pain. > > You have no idea what you're talking about. > > Take a look at this dump: > > http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/gnus/dumps/write_article.png Mine looks very similar. And your point is?.. > Do you know why it looks like that, and not like some stinking, > bloodsucking Windows MS Access with a white background, a blinking > cursor, a minimal font, constant popups, and lack of shortcuts and > cursor movement functionality that will have you reach for the > mouse, type, type again, type ten, twenty times as much as I've > been able to minimize it to, through years of customization, > setting up zsh and Emacs shorthands in absurdum never to have to > strike a single key that is not necessary? > > I suspect you probably don't get any of this, because if you did, > you would never say what you said with zero information about the > other person, accept that you disagreed over some silly issue. I can agree that it was silly to say that installing Emacs on Windows, which boils down to unzipping a single zip file, is painful. If you meant to say anything else, I'm sorry, but I didn't get it.