From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 17:34:10 +0300 Message-ID: <83ioc3p28t.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fv77barj.fsf@gnu.org> <87zj5fgpd8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431095663 30540 80.91.229.3 (8 May 2015 14:34:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 14:34:23 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 08 16:34:15 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YqjLy-0004lf-HT for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 16:34:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56123 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqjLx-0005Zh-PF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 10:34:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55867) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqjLm-0005Yz-VO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 10:34:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqjLj-0000gv-Mp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 10:34:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:34041) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqjLj-0000gJ-F1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 10:33:59 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NO100J00CA79200@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 17:33:57 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NO100JP0CGL7S20@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 17:33:57 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87zj5fgpd8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104298 Archived-At: > From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) > Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 14:39:31 +0100 > > > The best way to learn emacs is the tutorial (C-h t). > > I wish this were true. Actually, the tutorial is not a good > introduction to emacs. It's over 200 lines before you get off "how to > move the cursor around". No, it isn't, not in my Emacs. It mentions PageUp/PageDown on line 65 and arrow keys on line 76. Subtract 15 lines of typographic conventions and 13 more lines "left blank for didactic purposes", and you get 37 and 48 lines to read until one sees these truisms -- a far cry from 200.