From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 21:36:52 +0200 Message-ID: <83imxegskr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20190218122758037230128@bob.proulx.com> <5b2967d4-2428-c475-c37c-021c52cdca40@gmail.com> <834l90jvri.fsf@gnu.org> <1ac0dbd6-5d0e-52f4-d34c-d89391e89f43@gmail.com> <83lg2bivne.fsf@gnu.org> <20190219095700191526550@bob.proulx.com> <83d0nnit0o.fsf@gnu.org> <20190220115853855643126@bob.proulx.com> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="50975"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 20 20:37:42 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gwXgb-000D7k-SN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2019 20:37:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47616 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gwXga-0008VZ-SI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2019 14:37:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56665) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gwXfs-0008Gq-Bu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2019 14:36:58 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38228) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gwXfs-0006N5-8X for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2019 14:36:56 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3228 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gwXfr-0007Sl-SW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2019 14:36:56 -0500 In-reply-to: <20190220115853855643126@bob.proulx.com> (message from Bob Proulx on Wed, 20 Feb 2019 12:18:21 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119497 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 12:18:21 -0700 > From: Bob Proulx > > If Mailman disables a subscriber due to bounces then later (due to a > nightly cron?) Mailman sends a notice to the recipient that their > subscription has been suspended First, until that cron job runs, the victim could miss quite a lot of messages. And second, I wouldn't be surprised if that notification went straight to the spam folder, the way it's formatted. > > IMO, it would be prudent if people who oversee GNU lists and > > configure mailman could do something to prevent this automatic > > blocking, because it makes no sense to me: why do we care so much > > about a bounced message? > > Bounce messages are the only way to detect that subscribers fall off > the planetary network. That's true, but why disable their delivery on the first such message? Why not wait until there are, say, a dozen of them? A small number of bounced messages means a temporary problem, which doesn't justify such drastic measures, IMO. > Sure some addresses are only temporarily undeliverable. That's why > Mailman uses rate limits. Normally if there is a bounce or two it > doesn't do anything other than bounce those individual messages. It > is only when there are many that something must be wrong and delivery > is suspended. It does? I certainly don't see that. IME, a single bounced message causes a user's mail delivery to be disabled. What did I miss?