From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why is Elisp slow? Date: Fri, 03 May 2019 09:51:52 +0300 Message-ID: <83imusni7r.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8636tfocyl.fsf@zoho.com> <20190502075617.GA18331@tuxteam.de> <874l6d3ylg.fsf@mbork.pl> <20190502131827.GA28987@tuxteam.de> <83k1f8q39o.fsf@gnu.org> <87woj8bqho.fsf@telefonica.net> <83tvecocvv.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgtwboot.fsf@telefonica.net> <83muk4obfd.fsf@gnu.org> <20190502214006.4fdsinp7u5xuqvdv@Ergus> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="29467"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 03 23:20:35 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hMfbV-0017On-D0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 May 2019 23:20:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35549 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hMS3Q-0001U6-1c for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 May 2019 02:52:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36744) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hMS3G-0001To-Np for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 May 2019 02:52:11 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58880) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hMS3G-0003OA-Kb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 May 2019 02:52:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3441 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hMS3G-0006wG-5Y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 May 2019 02:52:10 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Thu, 02 May 2019 22:39:46 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120172 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 22:39:46 -0400 > > > One reason why people implemented everything in elisp instead of > > contributing in C (or sending patches) is: > > Eli's point is quite different (and actually goes well beyond adding > new C primitives): there is a world of Elisp hackers developing great > packages but never engaging with Emacs development at all, in the sense > that they take Emacs as an immutable base whose limitations and bugs are > just obstacles around which to work. Well said, thanks. > I regularly bump into code "out there" with random hacks to work around > Emacs bugs I've never heard of. Not just bugs: also limitations and missing features. > All Eli is saying is: when the Emacs infrastructure isn't as good as > you'd like for your package, please report it as a bug (no need to do > anything more than that). That doesn't mean we'll necessarily fix those > bugs (sometimes they're hard to fix, or simply nobody is interested in > fixing them), but it helps to know about them, and can guide > future redesigns. Right.