From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 18:01:41 +0300 Message-ID: <83h9rnp0yy.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fv77barj.fsf@gnu.org> <87zj5fgpd8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431097315 26217 80.91.229.3 (8 May 2015 15:01:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 15:01:55 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 08 17:01:47 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yqjmb-0008Ql-HQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 17:01:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56245 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yqjma-0003lN-HF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 11:01:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33771) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqjmR-0003lF-2e for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 11:01:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqjmM-0001oV-5J for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 11:01:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:59681) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqjmL-0001oL-Tk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 11:01:30 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NO100M00DM80W00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 18:01:28 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NO100L6CDQGTP70@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 18:01:28 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104301 Archived-At: > From: Barry Margolin > Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 10:50:20 -0400 > > > No, it isn't, not in my Emacs. It mentions PageUp/PageDown on line 65 > > and arrow keys on line 76. Subtract 15 lines of typographic > > conventions and 13 more lines "left blank for didactic purposes", and > > you get 37 and 48 lines to read until one sees these truisms -- a far > > cry from 200. > > Aren't those part of moving the cursor around? Maybe you misunderstood > him, he said that you have to read more than 200 lines until you learn > something OTHER THAN how to move the cursor around. Line 263 (on my > admittedly old version 22.3) is where it finally says "WHEN EMACS IS > HUNG", the first non-movement section. Yes, I gave him the benefit of the doubt about that. If he really meant what he said, then I don't understand the whole quip. What's a tutorial about an editor supposed to start with, if not basic cursor motion? Which other editor has its tutorial start with something else?