From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 17:12:22 +0300 Message-ID: <83ftpecwu1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <83v9yb92c7.fsf@gnu.org> <878sv7sp3r.fsf@telefonica.net> <83r28z8zl9.fsf@gnu.org> <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="163021"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 16 16:12:56 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hRH7u-000gG9-Sv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 May 2019 16:12:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58788 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRH7t-0000Ej-Ns for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 May 2019 10:12:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51300) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRH7c-0000Dd-NQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 May 2019 10:12:37 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52721) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRH7c-0003yH-6Q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 May 2019 10:12:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4277 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hRH7Y-0006l7-7B for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 May 2019 10:12:33 -0400 In-reply-to: <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> (message from Ergus on Wed, 15 May 2019 23:09:24 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120442 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 23:09:24 +0200 > From: Ergus > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > We are far from becoming a toxic community, but new/different ideas are > not really very welcome and sometimes the arguments are like "it has > always been like that", "old users don't want that change". Really? You've just went through a process of proposing and implementing a new feature -- did you feel your idea was "not really welcome"? > The conservative attitude in emacs development group (apart from the > technical obstacles like the workflow and the paperwork and so on) gives > the idea of a closed environment (that actually it is from the > development point of view because we are like frozen in the past) where > only very experts are welcome (that's the vision people have from > outside) so very few melpa developers are really interested to face all > those issues to contribute. Is this your experience from implementing the fill-column indicator? If so, how do you explain that you, as a relative non-expert, were welcome in that case?