From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Changing the language of gnus menu entries Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:00:42 +0300 Message-ID: <83d2nufxl1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87eh8eekza.fsf@web.de> <874n9amatr.fsf@web.de> <87vc1p9ggs.fsf@web.de> <837ge4hpco.fsf@gnu.org> <87li2k92l8.fsf@web.de> <1800f0a5-185b-4f6a-936a-2123341e23ac@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380272569 21112 80.91.229.3 (27 Sep 2013 09:02:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:02:49 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 27 11:02:52 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VPTwp-0004pi-GL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:02:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34848 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VPTwp-0004qJ-42 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 05:02:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46558) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VPTwE-0004Ie-M0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 05:02:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VPTw7-0001C1-De for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 05:02:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:45358) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VPTw7-0001Bs-6s for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 05:02:07 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MTS00E000YD0800@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:00:51 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MTS00DSJ11EZU10@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:00:51 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <1800f0a5-185b-4f6a-936a-2123341e23ac@googlegroups.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93656 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 23:26:09 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jason Rumney > > On Thursday, 26 September 2013 03:14:10 UTC+8, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > How do the menus help, if the help-echo tooltips are still in English? > > Having the menus translated helps because it is a first step that breaks the barrier for others to continue with help-echo, doc strings etc. As long as there is an insistence that the solution be all or nothing, potential volunteers will see the task as too daunting to take on. I never said "all or nothing". I said start with doc strings and echo-area messages. That's far from being "all". And I don't see how translating the menus would break the barrier for help-echo, as these two are displayed by 2 very different infrastructures in Emacs: the former can be caught on the toolkit level and translated there using the existing facilities in the toolkits, while the latter is displayed by Emacs itself (except when using GTK), and must be handled in Emacs with infrastructure that currently simply doesn't exist. OTOH, if localization of the echo-area display is solved, then help-echo is almost trivial. _That_ would indeed break the barrier.