From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: FW: [External] : Re: Native compilation by default?: Was [Re: stats say SBCL is 78 875 % faster than natively compiled Elisp Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 21:04:43 +0200 Message-ID: <83bklgi6yc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bklw7ka3.fsf@dataswamp.org> <878rgyjgcc.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87o7pq21i4.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87ilfy20jf.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83pma6yahj.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsb21z1n.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83ilfyxiw6.fsf@gnu.org> <83k00btcsl.fsf@gnu.org> <83h6v8ie1r.fsf@gnu.org> <83edqcib94.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25998"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 26 20:05:16 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pWMKi-0006bS-1a for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 20:05:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pWMKA-0000qU-6N; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:04:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pWMK8-0000q7-8h for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:04:40 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pWMK7-0000JE-U6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:04:39 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=1FwkWcKcObsxFjHCo9HbcHlZjlBhL9f+tKk4pmTg7Sw=; b=lP9LREZ7CMYT TaZea4pqTTQ1lKJXVnGk+jhV/rBlOsBhzE/+ZTZPUblng85OoiW/DS55LxjhkDLuCi9YxN8BiQoPc X1+SpdW3F/KTL/65JA2Q6MZJ+wxKiZMwn8zetJOe/47+e1cuanAQ/eauc9LRKhJ1kQG8Nvox+b0Mv e7dBYa7B4xVHCCRS+bi/KFebG9Te9cwJBGXw9tCpVpOZPNvN6jMxAQFjKySq33sKneTge1yFwwOln 79Io1WxSwQHpKxZgCzdWAGTXc4/jLOlynEi96zuSgATRlfZvpccna6XKFxQXl5QMaxakXDS2gb/u+ CW9oiaiMb728Vb8JXaBFVQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pWMK5-0007TN-FE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:04:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 26 Feb 2023 18:29:06 +0000) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142855 Archived-At: > From: Drew Adams > Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 18:29:06 +0000 > > > > But you also say "neither does the manual". > > > > > > To me, the Emacs manual is (and has long been) > > > very clear about this. Node `Lisp Libraries' > > > goes into it, pointing out explicitly which > > > files (*.el or *.elc) get loaded (priority) > > > by `load', `load-library', and `load-file'. > > > > But none of that says anything about explicitly loading FOO.el. > > > > > And that Emacs-manual text points to the more > > > detailed text in the Elisp manual, node `How > > > Programs Do Loading'. > > > > Which again says nothing about explicitly loading FOO.el. > > Sorry, but it's not clear to me what you're > talking about. > > Stefan wrote this: > > >> If you want to load "the most efficient > >> option available", then just don't specify > >> any extension, and Emacs will load the > >> `.el`, `.elc`, or `.eln` file according to > >> what it finds. > > To which I suggested that that be pointed out > explicitly. And I parenthetically added that > this logic has long existed for *.el and *.elc. That's not what this discussion is about. > To which you replied that none of the doc > strings says anything about it [the logic > behind that behavior]. I wasn't replying to _that_. I was replying to the main issue being discussed: that if one specified FOO.elc, Emacs will load FOO.elc and nothing else. It will NOT try loading FOO.eln or FOO.el. > You've apparently (now, for the first time?) > interjected the fact that the doc that talks > about the logic behind which files get loaded > in priority doesn't cover explicitly loading > FOO.el - or at least that the doc strings > don't mention that. That's the only thing being discussed here. You are missing the main point of this discussion, and talking about something else entirely. > (And the doc makes clear that `M-x load-file > FOO.el' or (load-file "FOO.el") loads FOO.el.) No, it doesn't.