From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform? Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 20:08:28 +0200 Message-ID: <83a6elwgv7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bkz3pltw.fsf@yahoo.com> <87pmnil4w0.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sfsdwsc7.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="401"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 20 19:09:13 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nLqe1-000AX2-3z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2022 19:09:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42564 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nLqdz-0006Qm-On for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2022 13:09:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38616) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nLqdH-0006Qc-9T for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2022 13:08:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=59808 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nLqdG-0002wh-TE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2022 13:08:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=vvMAmWd9xymYHuRRNNYur/SdBzLbK4RjYVXVxA40spY=; b=L6D76AYsJBfQ jqMEwDoxXkCdW3C3DHkiJeZDeaBF3IHNDkiKOtWL5QBhmaO/ihx2IuqnuNYjJ8uFAy9XnzEyNDr5+ /XLSJSUBXEXdhqfo7LHvKmwKbF/Nd3+Ykvl07XpirisJCnPM9tykDVUeau61KAXzxHnc7rz6G/Usi oXhEwhHxWpEL+Q8HrMAtTmSri095XVKBnE8Wm6iGnFJvFGmAh3yQSlHQQMD9QY7jjmr3pXpj7VR8s lOtRF/13m2s9uaVKTNfXYM+xxctVQ2mwP7aBvx90cZ177rQ1BpIjnqDr9XiarFJ5nQ/z43ZqPn+ZK kvLHprd/QEI8xRWDoZe3kw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3823 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nLqdG-0005Po-8Z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2022 13:08:26 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Arthur Miller on Sun, 20 Feb 2022 18:53:45 +0100) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:136076 Archived-At: > From: Arthur Miller > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 18:53:45 +0100 > > I opposed to the rhetorics of Po who is blaming it on Gtk bugs and devs having > their own ideas on input, or what he wrote I don't remember, instead of simply > saying that Gtk does not fit Emacs needs. I have tried to say why Gtk and Emacs > does not fit well, instead of leaving the original poster wondering how come > that Gtk was so rough around the edges after more than 20 years of development, > as Po has painted it. Well, some of the problems _are_ due to the GTK developers' decisions about what a GUI program should or should not have. An example is the lack of support for dynamic menus. And you are wrong emphasizing the input issues. Our problems with GTK go far beyond that, as I tried to explain.