From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Pressing ? does not allow window scrolling through the list of info commands Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 09:38:25 +0300 Message-ID: <837crcgra6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83bkgoguea.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19430"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 07 08:39:04 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qHf7Q-0004sT-4K for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 08:39:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHf6r-0004Hc-SE; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 02:38:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHf6p-0004HM-QI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 02:38:27 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHf6p-0005wW-I2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 02:38:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=IK0lyLlz/sSGwH0FAQ/9jiuk98eseDrTuUUVHQDQN9I=; b=H/Sd8QMzGzCE 513vGwL3uCtcSrmN5Qq9808cwCnJnZz5tDqXA4BJNofzzTzld+yBQ58PMmkYtcuIuybRPKmZtoRWx H6FpFmQMvnzsdzlSzdBiC2cv1zSXnWpuQxlfcRXGmtorKLWlDbfsbE1V2EOni6YqSTEJOPq90cj7i ojZthyBukJMEsv75Hawd7TiyRpHKN7lXH/mgM3EfPtDyd+dxJKjFwYTE4er6adxJVV1TddXdtiiMP sOxxzEp/+ZxLIr3akl9KIzJAz+s4bVdaD/eiyeZqbv7MlA+sVCij5n9E8JCth8OCV9TKTLzzNk3Ll guE38x//ouzdEYXq9iflHg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHf6k-0003vo-79 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 02:38:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Yuri Khan on Fri, 7 Jul 2023 13:00:30 +0700) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:144144 Archived-At: > From: Yuri Khan > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 13:00:30 +0700 > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > However, what is the reason for that event loop? The reason is to allow return to the manual with minimal fuss. As the user who invokes "?" is very likely to be a newbie to Emacs, having them to deal with buffers and windows at this point is unwise, to say the least. For the same reason, the first screenful displayed by "?" should show all of the essential commands, leaving the next screenful to show the advanced and more rarely-used ones. I'm not saying I object to adding more keys to scroll the display there, but the simplicity of going back to the manual should be preserved.