From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs changed file's own user and file permission Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:42:37 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <8240df36-3be3-443a-b657-bdb08165872e@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com> References: <4ad823b9-4941-4883-8771-de43d50913de@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1197441673 11733 80.91.229.12 (12 Dec 2007 06:41:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:41:13 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 12 07:41:23 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J2LHS-0008I1-0C for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:41:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J2LHA-0008Ng-7H for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:41:00 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 46 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.236.67.2 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1197438157 13907 127.0.0.1 (12 Dec 2007 05:42:37 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:42:37 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.236.67.2; posting-account=qPxGtQkAAADb6PWdLGiWVucht1ZDR6fn User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/523.12 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0.4 Safari/523.12, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:154607 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:50032 Archived-At: In this thread, a moron mentioned how Apple switched to Unix, implying that unix is good and Apple chose it. I quote: $B!V(B... even Apple had the good sense to move to Unix. $B!W(B i like to briefly address this because it is a ignorance rampant in the linux/OpenSource type of computing communties. This kind of statement is kinda after-the-fact ascription. Apple didn't seek out a unix or unix-like OS when it went looking to buy a modern OS to replace their out-of-date Mac OS (Classic). Apple, as a business decision, happened to have bought a OS that happens to be unix-like. Once Apple got NeXT, it is a inevitability for marketing to stamp and broadcast how it is Unix based and OpenSource based, riding the 2 fashions at their height (largely from Linux, Apache, Perl). Apple computer, thru out its history of innovation and elegance, wouldn't have touched unix with a 9 meters pole. Similar after-the-fact ascription happens a lot in unix communities. For example, there's the "Unix Philosophy", which ascribes a philosophy of design to the patch-wise hacked-up software that has little to none design or pre-thought. Similar is Larry Wall's peddling of his creation the Perl language. When it opportunistically swelled during the dot com web boom, Larry wall ascribed his "design" by likening it to natural languages. Further readings: * Is Mac OS X Unix? http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/macosx.html * The Nature of the "Unix Philosophy" http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/unix_phil.html * Perl: Theory vs Practice http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/theory_practice.html For a reasonable account of the history of how Apple purchased NeXT (the basis of Mac OS X), check wikip. You can start search by Apple History. Xah xah@xahlee.org $B-t(B http://xahlee.org/