From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs and osx Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:19:38 +0200 Organization: sometimes Message-ID: <7epswyxz5h.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> References: <_D97e.1227972$35.44954684@news4.tin.it> <0qb7e.1228649$35.44974099@news4.tin.it> <87k6n6398w.fsf@xs4all.nl> <425D54AF.4000208@yahoo.com> <85y8bm8syu.fsf@gnu.org> <85u0ma8rn6.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1113420155 3800 80.91.229.2 (13 Apr 2005 19:22:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 13 21:22:33 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLnQq-00057g-Bj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:21:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLn1P-0007ZJ-R1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:55:31 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!area.cu.mi.it!news.newsland.it!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.belwue.de!LF.net!quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 29 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ada2.unipv.it Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1113419980 26256 193.204.44.145 (13 Apr 2005 19:19:40 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:19:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:hrRR7wlby1rK9BXYxcBWBXGLxd8= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu comp.emacs:88587 gnu.emacs.help:130094 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25661 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25661 Bob Hunter writes: > Yes, emacs-tetris is small, but emacs is still a huge text > editor. What about the other such (extra) objects who build > up to 120MB? emacs is extensible, which means its capabilities can be for the most part dynamically (w/o recompiling) augmented at your command, by "loading emacs lisp libraries". when you see 120MB you see a lot of libraries ("integrated" over time :-) that are available but not loaded. > One should be able to choose whether to have games, as > well as option x, y, or z, rather than being forced to have > them. This is my point. I understand you do not share it, and I > respect your view, but please allow me to be less integralist > and more open to change. one is indeed able to choose (but to know what the choices are and then to choose wisely -- that's more difficult :-). w/ emacs, "to have" does not negate "to be able to choose". if you yourself are open to change, you might take joy in deepening your concept of "to have", to better understand what everyone is trying to tell you. or not. the choice is yours to exercise, after all. thi