From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Helm (and?) or Icicles (possibly using Evil) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 08:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7c6c1c92-2642-4cb4-9233-16828dee40d3@default> References: <4cd079bd-9978-422f-9449-51d8fbe76485@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1398268787 18885 80.91.229.3 (23 Apr 2014 15:59:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 15:59:47 +0000 (UTC) To: Hans BKK , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 23 17:59:40 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WczaF-0008Jq-GR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:59:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33477 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WczaF-00069o-7y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 11:59:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41915) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WczZw-00069X-5u for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 11:59:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WczZl-00032h-8p for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 11:59:20 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:31039) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WczZl-00032J-1q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 11:59:09 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s3NFx6be005820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Apr 2014 15:59:06 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s3NFx5kJ003512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Apr 2014 15:59:06 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s3NFx5ZH009508; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 15:59:05 GMT In-Reply-To: <4cd079bd-9978-422f-9449-51d8fbe76485@googlegroups.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:97331 Archived-At: > Drew, do you happen to know if your "Help Plus" libs are > compatible/helpful with Helm's approach? Dunno. I haven't heard that they are not, however. It's easy enough to try, and see. -- I will however, unsolicited, echo something that some others have hinted at, in hopes it can help you. Yes, we do all learn somewhat differently. Nevertheless, here is my suggestion, FWIW: You might want to start with vanilla Emacs (`emacs -Q'), and add goodies that you want to experiment with one at a time, getting a bit used to each step of the process. IOW, give each goodie and yourself a chance to get to know each other. Make friends, even if you decide later that you are not so interested in this or that. And that includes getting to know stark-naked Emacs (-Q), at the outset. It's a beautiful thing, after all, even if it loudly invites us all to fiddle with it (that's what it's for!), and even though we all enjoy doing that so much. Regardless of whether this convinces you to give each piece a friendly chance, the same advice will help you learn, I think. I also think it might make your learning more enjoyable. Throwing a a shipload of stuff into a humongous sack, shaking it vigorously, and then trying to figure out how things work in some corner of it, or what might have gone wrong here or there, is generally not a great recipe for either testing (QA) or learning. Been there; done that - we all have. But a reminder shouldn't hurt. IOW, I'd suggest taking relatively small bites, chewing well, pausing for some sips of good wine, and digesting in comfort under a sympathetic shade tree, in delicious reverie from what you have=20 ingested. And in time going back for more... It's not a race. It's a banquet, or a smorgasbord. And there is no shortage of fine food and drink, and sweet music. And even if it were a race, here's a lesson I learned at a birthday party when I was maybe 7 yrs old (back when everyone counted using roman numerals): Each kid had to eat a half dozen soda crackers, with nothing to drink. The first one to whistle after that won a prize. Naturally, we all stuffed as many crackers into our mouths as possible as quickly as possible, chomped away furiously, etc. Except for one kid, who took only ever-so-tiny nibbles, swallowing each before taking another. Way ahead of the rest of us - no contest. We are not crocodiles. We can chew. Enjoy the privilege.