From: Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: umlauts (8bit characters) input
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:31:47 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <799DF208-743C-11D9-8B7E-000D932A32C4@Web.DE> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ctmj6u$hl3$00$1@news.t-online.com>
Am 01.02.2005 um 01:41 schrieb Hendrik Sattler:
> Peter Dyballa wrote:
>> ; (set-language-environment 'UTF-8)
>> (set-default-coding-systems 'utf-8)
>> (setq file-name-coding-system 'utf-8)
>> (setq default-buffer-file-coding-system 'utf-8)
>> (setq coding-system-for-write 'utf-8)
>> ; (set-keyboard-coding-system 'utf-8)
>> (set-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8)
>> ;; (set-clipboard-coding-system 'utf-8)
>> ;; (set-selection-coding-system 'utf-8)
>> ; (set-language-environment 'German)
>
> I don't understand why emacs should need all that. There are locales
> and
> they define a system charset, emacs should use that as default.
These setting show how complicated it is to translate between the many
systems GNU Emacs supports. It's not only Latin scripts! Have a look at
the HELLO page: C-h H. And particularly two settings can become import
when you're interacting with a window system: clipboard-coding-system
and selection-coding-system. There is in the Help menu a very excessive
entry: Describe -> Show all of Mule Status. Or simply M-x mule-diag.
It'll give you pointers to stay for a few weeks in info-mode ...
>
>> It's always helpful to check what Emacs actually receives: C-h k and
>> then
>> you type the umlaut.
>
> It gets M-| for the 'ü', '|' is 0x7C and 'ü' ist 0xFC, so the 8th bit
> is
> ignored.
> Does emacs care for readline settings?
I don't think so. readline would be used in shell-mode or eshell-mode,
if at all. Are you running Emacs freely as an X11 client or is it
no-windows inside a terminal emulation? In the second case you're a bit
dependant of what the terminal emulation is doing. It might convert
8bit to 7bit. In both cases you have to set an appropriate
input-method, as mule-diag will reveal.
Do you have test files à la 'char-representation = oct dec hex its
description (to help you recognize what Emacs is doing to that glyph)',
for example "ü = 374 = 252 = FC = U+00FC : LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH
DIAERESIS"? In any case it would be very helpful (for Emacs) to give a
hint like "-*- mode: Text; coding: iso-8859-15; -*-" in the file's
header to help it choose the right character set.
I do hope that others on this list have made more progress than both of
us and add some to this thread! For example I would like to have shell
and dired-buffers display in UTF-8 because the file names in Mac OS X
are of that kind. In shell it works with ls when I let Emacs run in
Apple's Terminal (emulation).
I hope that GNU Emacs 25 solves all problems.
> I really want to get that guy that said that ASCII and thus 7bit is a
> useful
> default :-(((((
Oh no, why has the world to be so stubborn and keep writing in so my
scripts? Why is a comic's use of script not sufficient?
--
Mit friedvollen Grüßen
Pete <\
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Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-01-31 16:44 umlauts (8bit characters) input Hendrik Sattler
2005-01-31 21:52 ` Peter Dyballa
[not found] ` <mailman.226.1107211155.2841.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2005-01-31 22:44 ` Hendrik Sattler
2005-01-31 23:47 ` Peter Dyballa
[not found] ` <mailman.238.1107216437.2841.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2005-02-01 0:41 ` Hendrik Sattler
2005-02-01 10:31 ` Peter Dyballa [this message]
[not found] ` <mailman.279.1107254715.2841.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2005-02-01 11:37 ` Hendrik Sattler
2005-02-01 12:36 ` David Kastrup
2005-02-01 13:37 ` Hendrik Sattler
2005-02-01 15:25 ` Peter Dyballa
2005-02-02 10:27 ` Peter Dyballa
[not found] ` <mailman.463.1107343604.2841.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2005-02-02 12:38 ` David Kastrup
2005-02-02 13:12 ` Peter Dyballa
[not found] ` <mailman.482.1107350962.2841.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2005-02-02 14:10 ` David Kastrup
2005-02-02 14:59 ` Ismael Valladolid Torres
2005-02-02 18:21 ` Peter Dyballa
2005-02-02 18:17 ` Peter Dyballa
2005-02-02 15:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-02-02 19:37 ` Peter Dyballa
[not found] ` <mailman.578.1107374620.2841.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2005-02-03 4:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-02-01 13:07 ` Reiner Steib
2005-02-01 13:47 ` Hendrik Sattler
2005-02-01 15:21 ` Peter Dyballa
2005-02-01 15:50 ` Hendrik Sattler
2005-02-01 16:05 ` David Kastrup
2005-02-01 16:08 ` Hendrik Sattler
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