From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ken Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: finding the hork point in ~/.emacs Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 07:56:17 -0400 Message-ID: <7934377e-42e4-be48-3c9d-570bcda2dd12@mousecar.com> References: <837dtk3f3v.fsf@gnu.org> <9270e794-fef0-9a62-4534-5bbeb541f804@mousecar.com> <83eens0yut.fsf@gnu.org> <22dec152-2a0e-eb9d-3fc2-2fd1914338fa@mousecar.com> <83v9h3z308.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: gebser@mousecar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3113"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 28 13:56:42 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kBczp-0000hs-Jz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:56:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40254 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kBczo-00070H-L0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 07:56:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49152) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kBczV-000706-7c for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 07:56:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.196]:60369) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kBczT-0006E6-Fw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 07:56:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.0.17] ([96.27.75.237]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus003 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Le6Sw-1kwkRh2U5U-00pr2t for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:56:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83v9h3z308.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:HLnJr9fzr28V+x0PxnrJF9W0kOmq2R+nHWPf8KO5HTDWKtLN6pn c8s0Kknxuu2K0+v2Rcp6L6CylvTMlDH8abz+Ru0V5m7iys6sAmvJcYlEOk/pOPiDIOu1XRR OZyJRgPoQvQRgB5ugp4zgcbdMriWRXJj/gOMQYHWsF1AqAa+51hh07eJZ+tAhfFD2uH9xx2 5cWY9QsoQ4FrOATfCFUjA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:RFSYgWIi8K8=:V+ZK4H01vP9V9Ffbtgsa4Q feeWFbLPaQtQIHJBjbTN9ddZ1wAWuo9/Lh/AZ3I/9nTBlJLORwOJAwArB/XD7Lh+SM6arUQ0C P6eTZ8TkPvKs3zy7Eg/MGT3zcwsL4Yas5fcwnfMd+iNVV0l30ARummHDGSZhDPwiyo2Nq/nff dt001ciYSOoas+aI633FTgvnGEYs1E5kWXbumaNVwm97pgY8QaGDo5c/zrYbhbGcPvZHSYjTy dPtWzJSYnOt08B2jsyYCSBOsqUlmguug7KMe+vi8mbn+yoP3cC2XA8STVGXWIT7I6ZRPi1xqw ThQcp/GQJ2f1f18wh9BFagx6dMYVGqbKKS+GK4gGqpq0eQGAnffkCPm/2tBpqn0WYSEaNwgcX yCTkxCtrkedgZinGXHrWXxo8MTUVZo5w5uGwL1tfnrlt1Tf8PSTzRiuceQrOiBkLOSRWlySq5 H4FTJVHMVqIIRArzoyao7KiP193AnXYWkljXwMxtcMlQlik4v/5CPwE5cdQZI8Qv/auDM5weS 8mdS4JEPbSrxdjJAYWYcFuRzN8XqduSucg8ibSdC8eJQcPSfM7WMTMrLduwWptLH4Og8ISi1N +73IC9XvUy2yuJdNLqvFRlbK+2jDVV357i/KFEQJJ7x2SgsGqc0ByIkkTRficoeAAyfBm991L NYI8V8Il4eFq5RYEOdPi1y4DbGo3RX8CPlH37K7Lb+nr9f1ehruHjR6OHlTdqqKR+s7H/vpZJ nUGHLOCPXHMk1oIO/Yvhcyb4zwsU7EJMiT7dkcPNTtU4koFPKsfSrS7KkPZfX/+AtQIsaCck Received-SPF: none client-ip=74.208.4.196; envelope-from=gebser@mousecar.com; helo=mout.perfora.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/28 07:56:18 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -26 X-Spam_score: -2.7 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.809, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:123822 Archived-At: On 8/28/20 2:41 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: ken >> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 18:40:54 -0400 >> >>> What additional mode is that? How do you turn it on? >> It's a super-old package, still in quite a bit of use, called >> html-helper-mode.  I've come to love it a lot, way more than emacs' >> native html editor.  I've customized it quite a bit over the years >> also.  Today I went through the whole thing (over 2600 lines for your >> carpal tunnel pleasure) and tested every function and definition etc., >> and everything worked.  And when I got to the last line, it was loaded, >> So I opened a test.html file, used it in all kinds of ways, and >> everything worked fine.  So I'm fairly certain that it's some other code >> before that's invoked which is bringing about the error. >> >> It's turned on with this in my ~/.emacs: >> >> (autoload 'html-helper-mode "html-helper-mode" "Yay HTML" t) > So if you start Emacs without that line, and then evaluate that line > via "M-:", everything works as expected with that mode? But if that > line is present in your .emacs, something doesn't work well, is that > right? If so, what exactly doesn't work in the latter case? > Thanks for your continuing interest in my problem(s).  Answering your question in another way (I believe), yesterday when html-helper-mode wasn't operative at all, as if it wasn't loaded at all, I went into the html-helper-mode.el file and evaluated (executed with C-x C-e at the end of every defun and defvar etc.), none of them errored out and html-helper-mode worked, and AFAICT worked completely.  That would seem to eliminate it as the source of the problem, yes? Moreover, and quite strangely, since then every time I've restarted emacs, html-helper-mode has loaded and worked fine.  And, no, of course I haven't made any changes to either html-helper-mode.el or to .emacs (well, nothing at all substantive or relevant).  So that problem seems to have magically disappeared. However, now I'm having a very strange problem with tramp, one unrelated to html of any kind.  I'll describe that in a separate post.  But it's very strange how the problem seems to be bouncing around, appearing in different parts of my unchanged code.  Is that even conceivable?  I would think that I have a problem with some bad RAM, but emacs is the only thing I'm having problems with, having no problem in any other software on my system (nothing I've perceived, anyway).