emacs-mac and emacsclient

emacs-mac and emacsclient

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

I'm building emacs-mac locally but it looks like emacsclient is not included in the final Emacs.app so I have to use 
emacs-mac/lib-src/emacsclient which does not seem to be the best way to do that.

Am I missing something during the build process that does not put emacsclient in Emacs.app ?

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Re: emacs-mac and emacsclient

[Po Lu]

Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org> writes:

> I'm building emacs-mac locally but it looks like emacsclient is not
> included in the final Emacs.app so I have to use
> emacs-mac/lib-src/emacsclient which does not seem to be the best way
> to do that.
>
> Am I missing something during the build process that does not put
> emacsclient in Emacs.app ?

AFAIR emacsclient doesn't work in Carbon Emacs, or maybe it's just
multi-tty that's missing.

Re: emacs-mac and emacsclient

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

> On Dec 21, 2021, at 18:17, Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org> writes:
> 
>> I'm building emacs-mac locally but it looks like emacsclient is not
>> included in the final Emacs.app so I have to use
>> emacs-mac/lib-src/emacsclient which does not seem to be the best way
>> to do that.
>> 
>> Am I missing something during the build process that does not put
>> emacsclient in Emacs.app ?
> 
> AFAIR emacsclient doesn't work in Carbon Emacs, or maybe it's just
> multi-tty that's missing.

I am not talking about Carbon Emacs, I am talking about Mitsuharu Yamamoto's emacs version.

https://bitbucket.org/mituharu/emacs-mac.git

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Re: emacs-mac and emacsclient

[Po Lu]

Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org> writes:

>> AFAIR emacsclient doesn't work in Carbon Emacs, or maybe it's just
>> multi-tty that's missing.

> I am not talking about Carbon Emacs, I am talking about Mitsuharu
> Yamamoto's emacs version.

That's Carbon Emacs.

Re: emacs-mac and emacsclient

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

> On Dec 21, 2021, at 20:38, Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org> writes:
> 
>>> AFAIR emacsclient doesn't work in Carbon Emacs, or maybe it's just
>>> multi-tty that's missing.
> 
>> I am not talking about Carbon Emacs, I am talking about Mitsuharu
>> Yamamoto's emacs version.
> 
> That's Carbon Emacs.

Ok, but 

emacs-mac/lib-src/emacsclient

works fine.

Except that it is not inside 

emacs-mac/mac/Emacs.app


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Re: emacs-mac and emacsclient

[Po Lu]

Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org> writes:

> Ok, but 
>
> emacs-mac/lib-src/emacsclient
>
> works fine.
>
> Except that it is not inside 
>
> emacs-mac/mac/Emacs.app

IIUC NS-style application bundles are for applications themselves and
not for support binaries like emacsclient, which are supposed to be
installed elsewhere.

I could be mistaken though.

Re: emacs-mac and emacsclient

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

> On Dec 21, 2021, at 21:01, Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org> writes:
> 
>> Ok, but 
>> 
>> emacs-mac/lib-src/emacsclient
>> 
>> works fine.
>> 
>> Except that it is not inside 
>> 
>> emacs-mac/mac/Emacs.app
> 
> IIUC NS-style application bundles are for applications themselves and
> not for support binaries like emacsclient, which are supposed to be
> installed elsewhere.

I don't want to run it from the GUI, just have it in the package, like it is in the official Emacs.app:

emacs/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/bin/emacsclient

That way I can put it in the path and run it whenever I need to.


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Re: emacs-mac and emacsclient

[Po Lu]

Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org> writes:

> I don't want to run it from the GUI, just have it in the package, like it is in the official Emacs.app:
>
> emacs/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/bin/emacsclient
>
> That way I can put it in the path and run it whenever I need to.

I don't understand the logic behind putting NS bundles into PATH: aren't
they only supposed to work when run from the Workspace Manager
(i.e. GWorkspace)?  And if you want Emacs in your path, aren't you
supposed to use `--disable-ns-self-contained' instead?

Thanks.

Re: emacs-mac and emacsclient

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

> On Dec 22, 2021, at 12:22, Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org> writes:
> 
>> I don't want to run it from the GUI, just have it in the package, like it is in the official Emacs.app:
>> 
>> emacs/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/bin/emacsclient
>> 
>> That way I can put it in the path and run it whenever I need to.
> 
> I don't understand the logic behind putting NS bundles into PATH: aren't
> they only supposed to work when run from the Workspace Manager
> (i.e. GWorkspace)?  And if you want Emacs in your path, aren't you
> supposed to use `--disable-ns-self-contained' instead?

My original question was:

> I'm building emacs-mac locally but it looks like emacsclient is not included in the final Emacs.app so I have to use 
> emacs-mac/lib-src/emacsclient which does not seem to be the best way to do that.
> 
> Am I missing something during the build process that does not put emacsclient in Emacs.app ?

What I would like to know is whether there a way to build emacs-mac so that emacsclient is inside the Emacs.app package, just like it is for the generic Emacs.app package.

If you don't have an answer to that, that's totally fine. Maybe it is a question for emacs-devel. I'll wait a few more days here before checking there.

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Re: emacs-mac and emacsclient

[Po Lu]

Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org> writes:

>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 12:22, Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org> writes:
>> 
>>> I don't want to run it from the GUI, just have it in the package,
>>> like it is in the official Emacs.app:
>>> 
>>> emacs/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/bin/emacsclient
>>> 
>>> That way I can put it in the path and run it whenever I need to.
>> 
>> I don't understand the logic behind putting NS bundles into PATH:
>> aren't they only supposed to work when run from the Workspace Manager
>> (i.e. GWorkspace)?  And if you want Emacs in your path, aren't you
>> supposed to use `--disable-ns-self-contained' instead?
>
> My original question was:
>
>> I'm building emacs-mac locally but it looks like emacsclient is not
>> included in the final Emacs.app so I have to use
>> emacs-mac/lib-src/emacsclient which does not seem to be the best way
>> to do that.
>> 
>> Am I missing something during the build process that does not put
>> emacsclient in Emacs.app ?
>
> What I would like to know is whether there a way to build emacs-mac so
> that emacsclient is inside the Emacs.app package, just like it is for
> the generic Emacs.app package.
>
> If you don't have an answer to that, that's totally fine. Maybe it is
> a question for emacs-devel. I'll wait a few more days here before
> checking there.

I was asking a question and advising you to disable the self-contained
bundle feature at the same time :)

Thanks.

Re: emacs-mac and emacsclient

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

> On Dec 22, 2021, at 13:45, Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org> writes:
> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 12:22, Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org> writes:
>>> 
>>>> I don't want to run it from the GUI, just have it in the package,
>>>> like it is in the official Emacs.app:
>>>> 
>>>> emacs/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/bin/emacsclient
>>>> 
>>>> That way I can put it in the path and run it whenever I need to.
>>> 
>>> I don't understand the logic behind putting NS bundles into PATH:
>>> aren't they only supposed to work when run from the Workspace Manager
>>> (i.e. GWorkspace)?  And if you want Emacs in your path, aren't you
>>> supposed to use `--disable-ns-self-contained' instead?
>> 
>> My original question was:
>> 
>>> I'm building emacs-mac locally but it looks like emacsclient is not
>>> included in the final Emacs.app so I have to use
>>> emacs-mac/lib-src/emacsclient which does not seem to be the best way
>>> to do that.
>>> 
>>> Am I missing something during the build process that does not put
>>> emacsclient in Emacs.app ?
>> 
>> What I would like to know is whether there a way to build emacs-mac so
>> that emacsclient is inside the Emacs.app package, just like it is for
>> the generic Emacs.app package.
>> 
>> If you don't have an answer to that, that's totally fine. Maybe it is
>> a question for emacs-devel. I'll wait a few more days here before
>> checking there.
> 
> I was asking a question and advising you to disable the self-contained
> bundle feature at the same time :)

But that's not the way I work with Emacs. I work with Emacs.app in the GUI exclusively and I sometimes need to use emacsclient in a script (applescript) to launch files directly in Emacs.

Having emacs and emacsclient in the path is just a convenience, not a requirement. My requirement is that I can move the Emacs.app package and use the commands that are contained inside the package.


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Re: emacs-mac and emacsclient

[Po Lu]

Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org> writes:

> Having emacs and emacsclient in the path is just a convenience, not a
> requirement. My requirement is that I can move the Emacs.app package
> and use the commands that are contained inside the package.

Would it suffice to copy `emacsclient' to a directory that is inside
your PATH?

Anyhow, this is a Carbon Emacs bug, and should thus be raised with their
developers and not upstream.

Thanks.

Re: emacs-mac and emacsclient

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

> On Dec 22, 2021, at 13:53, Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org> writes:
> 
>> Having emacs and emacsclient in the path is just a convenience, not a
>> requirement. My requirement is that I can move the Emacs.app package
>> and use the commands that are contained inside the package.
> 
> Would it suffice to copy `emacsclient' to a directory that is inside
> your PATH?
> 
> Anyhow, this is a Carbon Emacs bug, and should thus be raised with their
> developers and not upstream.

What I would like to know is whether there a way to build emacs-mac so
that emacsclient is inside the Emacs.app package, just like it is for
the generic Emacs.app package.

If you don't have an answer to that, that's totally fine. Maybe it is
a question for emacs-devel. I'll wait a few more days here before
checking there.

-- 
Jean-Christophe Helary @brandelune
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Re: emacs-mac and emacsclient

[Po Lu]

Jean-Christophe Helary <lists@traduction-libre.org> writes:

> If you don't have an answer to that, that's totally fine. Maybe it is
> a question for emacs-devel. I'll wait a few more days here before
> checking there.

On an unrelated note, it's not a question for emacs-devel, as the Mac
port is not officially supported.

But you should just be able to `cp lib-src/emacsclient' where you want.