From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?7KGw7ISx67mI?= via help-gnu-emacs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 18:05:29 +0900 Message-ID: <76C0F6EB-8BA6-406A-B7ED-3E812D555F83@icloud.com> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <83v9yb92c7.fsf@gnu.org> <878sv7sp3r.fsf@telefonica.net> <83r28z8zl9.fsf@gnu.org> <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> <83ftpecwu1.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516161408.4dov3dwk5h4yoizn@Ergus> <838sv6cmwt.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516202327.5cgy2s4kppy3ahxa@Ergus> <86blzrdjv0.fsf@zoho.eu> Reply-To: =?utf-8?B?7KGw7ISx67mI?= Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="105380"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 25 11:06:03 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hUScs-000REj-Uo for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 11:06:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38200 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUScr-0002jz-Ia for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 05:06:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39626) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUSca-0002jt-Ft for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 05:05:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUScY-0001QZ-KY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 05:05:44 -0400 Original-Received: from pv50p00im-tydg10011801.me.com ([17.58.6.52]:48465) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUScW-0001Mk-PK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 05:05:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=icloud.com; s=04042017; t=1558775135; bh=c7Bz4kqylpn3ZSYs4pFV3kx+9oO44uD9JPSRGjM9cU0=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:Date:Message-Id:To; b=LRXUi3S4t84OaRegUdkTSWn4i7d54bX9YepZifCY76WtxySmmBcJqGYaACw4SR1mY wNOB/cmCec0PVDDOxfiWU5TjagdGJ5k/vcvz9x6zT5CELhVsgaGfJn7rb1HSN7i/6X I2t8Vjf+ECtoyx+XjxO2iPf7LIsOflwZBQ63lWJcBYFRp675gx5BoDqj9O88+DRKy4 9OjKuLJKXF3g9XRdTPTZZX5b2vDe1DaTCSuHC4JBNoCKCD4l128BxlHzkUtRhAGHnQ uJqobm5SAjyBOhSwJYUorNM/oM7WZ6G7XqLdH6fYpsHRdoqr58i6CVHXOWHTeBAJ5z wGvjerVNaunGw== Original-Received: from [10.235.53.214] (unknown [223.62.173.178]) by pv50p00im-tydg10011801.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CB7366608DC; Sat, 25 May 2019 09:05:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16E227) In-Reply-To: <86blzrdjv0.fsf@zoho.eu> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2019-05-25_06:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=probablespam policy=default score=75 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=75 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=75 mlxlogscore=-47 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1812120000 definitions=main-1905250064 X-Suspected-Spam: true X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 17.58.6.52 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120634 Archived-At: Oops, I sent this as a personal mail first :-( Resent... 2019. 5. 25. =EC=98=A4=ED=9B=84 5:22, Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1: > Ergus wrote: >=20 >> 2) Many new features and functionalities >> (pure editing oriented) have been >> introduced/proved/improved in other editors, >> and they have proven to be useful (move line, >> initial configuration, associative bindings, >> specific key combinations like in cua-mode, >> undo/redo and many others). >=20 > I don't know what "move line" or "associative > bindings" are ... but if it is just about > editing and keyboard-to-function behavior, I'm > pretty sure we have it. >=20 > As for `cua-mode', even I have that, and > I don't want it, so it must be there to > begin with. >=20 > But I do agree the initial config is very > unsexy. Especially the GUI Emacs looks awful > out of the box, to be honest. Obviously you can > get rid of all that stuff easily enough, then > get a bright-on-black theme with a more radical > syntax highlighting, have the cursor stop > blinking, and a couple of other things I don't > remember right now. That's a good start and > should greatly improve the first impression. > I don't know why it isn't like this to > begin with. This is so true... Why is the defaults so bad?=CC=8A=CC=88 Just having a default theme will be much better... >> 3) The development is not focused in the >> first thing that a user needs when she opens >> emacs: provide the most comfortable and >> useful TEXT EDITOR. >=20 > Emacs is an interface/tool to operate the > _entire computer_. Stop thinking of it as > a text editor only. It isn't true - far from it > - so I don't know why you do it. And it will > never happen, no matter what you or anyone else > say in CAPITAL LETTERS. The only way it will > happen if you fork it and remove tons and tons > of useful code. You can do that, of course. I would say, Emacs is an tool that abstracts operating a computer into text e= diting; which makes text-editing capabilities one of the most important part= of Emacs. Text editing is *the* interface of the tool, Emacs. > --=20 > underground experts united > http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 > https://dataswamp.org/~incal >=20 >=20