From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Francis Moreau Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: page-at-a-time output for M-x shell Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <76036640-c499-482c-81c0-9e0cb325e96a@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> References: <30a09a22-cd05-44b6-9b82-8a7e6c1796d5@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> <7bf1883b-3184-487c-a5a4-675f3e117342@l2g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <85269090-af0d-43fa-bd49-da265cbac558@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> <87fxd1iy86.fsf@iki.fi> <6a088d78-bfa1-46aa-bf87-6efe4d875739@n30g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <874oth3se0.fsf@iki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247480236 2028 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2009 10:17:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:17:16 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 13 12:17:09 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MQIaq-0005f7-Fu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:17:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49605 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MQIap-00078T-Na for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:17:07 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 38 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.41.232.205 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247476600 10873 127.0.0.1 (13 Jul 2009 09:16:40 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com; posting-host=213.41.232.205; posting-account=ekTE0goAAADiVCThPmo4ph0C5bTUhQOx User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042708 Fedora/3.0.10-1.fc9 Firefox/3.0.10, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 grimoire.wyplay.int:3128 (squid/2.5.STABLE14) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:170817 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:66015 Archived-At: On Jul 13, 10:21=A0am, Teemu Likonen wrote: > > OK, then it's probably me who fails to understand why do you keep > talking about "M-x shell" when you need a terminal. This > "page-at-a-time" feature comes with terminal emulation. There's no need > to make "M-x shell" a real terminal because there already is one: "M-x > term". Ok then it's probably me who fails to understand the point of "M-x shell"... Just because it's not a real terminal emulation, does that mean it should be boring to be used with commands with a lot of output (hence lot of processing) ? If "M-x shell" implements this 'page-at-a-time' feature, does that mean it becomes a real term emulation ? Is it really that much hard to make "M-x shell" mimics the one page at a time ? Maybe this shows one of the Emacs' drawback: there're so many packages out there which implement the same functionnality but differently and with different limitations and that make the user confused and spend a lot of time to wonder/try each of all of these packages. And eventually once the use makes a choice: "ok this package is good enough but I miss this X functionnality". So now he's asking why X functionnality is not implemented, and he got some answers like: "there's an 10th package you should look at" or "just don't be silly and use package 'A'".... > Is there something wrong with "M-x term"? Not really, but I found it not very well suited to be used inside Emacs: the key bindings are not very friendly with the rest of Emacs and sometimes the output is screwed, I dunno why. So it's not very integrated to Emacs, and I just prefer start another term outside emacs if I want a real term emulation.