From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: stan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: why "undo the undo" is not equivalent to redo Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:00:55 -0500 Organization: home Message-ID: <74mmt6-629.ln1@invalid.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258861253 7186 80.91.229.12 (22 Nov 2009 03:40:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:40:53 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 22 04:40:46 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NC3Jc-0003kq-Uf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:40:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58879 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NC3Jc-0005rm-CW for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:40:44 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.netcologne.de!newsfeed-fusi2.netcologne.de!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!feeder.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 39 Original-X-Trace: news.eternal-september.org U2FsdGVkX1+kLAJL6z4W6exlelWZT82bHjg/4vbBC4LTMPUipDXH8BuK6B1J4kq/B8jHjR1j13Oj3CbMHoI8QKaDiH+923VgJp4R8ruJMUFGe/FqqmY8xQRTljJMmjKjoAEfiZkVFp4N97avkW5cmg== Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@eternal-september.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:20:08 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Linux) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19n6NgWzDszxCSakobQh3A4BQ2wb2lamoI= Cancel-Lock: sha1:1eeyaltMC1CPs+q1KtXFmeDULZ0= Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:174943 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:70016 Archived-At: Samuel Wales wrote: > I have had this around for a while. The usual advice from > undoers is that "undo the undo" is sufficient. This offers > a different take, one that you might not have seen. Now > seems a good time to post it. > > > There are several types of emacs users, including these: > > 1) (UNDOERS) those for whom "undo the undo" works well > 2) (REDOERS) those who would prefer undo-redo > > There are several types of undoers, including these: > > 1) those who want to understand what the redoers are > saying > 2) those who understand what the redoers are saying, but > personally do not experience the problem > 3) those who are confident that they understand what the > redoers are saying, but actually have no idea > > The goal of this post is to turn type 1 into type 2. None > other. I'm confused. Do you have a problem with the current undo? If so why not fix it? Why the "education"? Your post seems to be trying to convince versus educate. If your purpose was to show me how you work and convince me you're not happy with the status quo, I guess you made your point. As for education I don't know anything I didn't before. I've seen many people who wished emacs worked differently and I didn't really see anything new here. Your demo doesn't reflect my use so it's hard to learn or conclude much. If I worked like that I guess I'd set about fixing my problem. I'm aware others use emacs differently and want changes so I guess I didn't really learn much. As for undo I'm agnostic; I don't have a problem but if it changed I'd have to see the change to decide if it was OK with me or posed a problem.