From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Dave Pawson" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Font sources Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:16:43 +0100 Message-ID: <711a73df0709150116r6aa226d4qfac10a530b0b5f22@mail.gmail.com> References: <87myvqdk7m.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> <87ps0ka9ca.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189844229 29805 80.91.229.12 (15 Sep 2007 08:17:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:17:09 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 15 10:17:05 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IWSps-0005MU-Ua for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:17:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWSpr-00006U-OD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:17:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IWSpb-00005d-PH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:16:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IWSpZ-00005A-5N for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:16:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWSpY-000057-V9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:16:44 -0400 Original-Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.186]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IWSpY-0005WX-Iw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:16:44 -0400 Original-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so871842rvf for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 01:16:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=3g0OjE8wPhVadhF5hw3R3JtCBu+FaFvaSZNwwrRGyVc=; b=WRSqjRxcVrp0r0qK8dWti6fVOnrq8AWbolJZVBeEvLKfLdZWFJJhSAn/2CZUjjvrznMhMCEnyIMmQfbgad1jjQ6hZf2C2/AC8TTH9ZqASs6KdjSk7lf74BZkN/f5+UBtMEBN/GUSHE+BSfrXKmURWCfbPtmKHpseHFXfHs/temI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sj0pZu/df+ztsVq6hg6AZBeTkcChKGJYchnpiXqj9nzCVRDBeQbThe6ckOxxzLI941Z1gaBhdpacN95d6XskiSMr3gGMYVnooNJduWOPoKp7sD9d8CpJBApQjZB9SFk8ZWxlWEScwACsou5dzV31ocapXNKZnAeSEL3QM7Cnrvk= Original-Received: by 10.140.250.14 with SMTP id x14mr173960rvh.1189844203118; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 01:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.141.69.5 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 01:16:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ps0ka9ca.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:47610 Archived-At: On 15/09/2007, Tim X wrote: > > xfs dead but pid file exists > > [dpawson@marge ~]$ service xfs start > > Starting xfs: rm: cannot remove directory `/tmp/.font-unix': Operation > > not permitted No Tim. Yet again it was my lack of knowledge. This time it was selinux. I'd messed with the contexts in /tmp and selinux was blocking all writes to there. Another lesson I guess, but it totally stopped xfs running. Now I can run the font commands as you say, except that FC7 seems not to have a .Xresources in my home directory. I've a feeling this is another one that uses /tmp again. Further one, using xfontsel, I was unable to copy the eventual string over the the shell window. Possibly another X messup due to selinux. A further install necessary to clean up. The selinux documentation is two versions out of date. Seemed no matter what I did xfs wouldn't run. On the new running system all the fonts are there as you say. > > > Seems like xfs is going out of fashion on Fedora. > > Wonder if other OS's will follow this direction. > > > > It is possible font servers will decline in use. Actually, I didn't run a > font server until it became a sort of default configuration (which I think > was back when I was running Red Hat). Before then, I hust had font paths > hard coded into my X config file. At some levels a font server is overkill > for a stand alone Linux box. The comments indicate that emacs is a last big user of xfs? I wondered if emacs is considering moving to another method of obtaining them. As was said on this thread, it's tidy for a multi-user system, to have a single suite of fonts for all users. Less so for single users such as myself. It would appear that Fedora/Redhat jump more when the big buyers say, so perhaps it will remain. Also noted that emacs isn't installed by default any more. > I think many of the issues > here relate to historical and legacy concerns combined with portability and > cross platform objectives. snip. > Given the fact Emacs has now adopted the GTK+ widget set and given > the fact that the latest developments have been improving font support so > that Emacs supports antialiased, multibyte etc fonts, I think the quoted > comment just shows ignorance of what is going on. Not sure it's ignorance, but maybe a biassed perspective. The printing integration > has never been an issue for me (though I would have to say I don't feel > CUPS has made it that much easier than 'lpr' and in fact hate the way it > tries to 'guess' what I want and usually gets it wrong. The comments also > totally overlook all the other spects of Emacs and fails to suggest > anything else that covers the same level of functionality we already have > an which does fit with his criteria (re fonts, desktop widgets, printing > and i18n). Yes. I did note the sarcasm. I don't want to install another operating system. Clearly non emacs users. > > I'm not at all interested in religious wars over editors, but would argue > emacs is no closer to going the way of the Dodo than VI (and all its > clones) and that while things like GNOME have certainly created desktop > environments closer to what Windows uses are familiar with, I've not seen > any GNOME based editor that has any more functionality than 'notepad'. When > there is an editor that has all the flashy desktop widgets, full > integration with font services, full integration with the printing > infrastructure etc and has the extensibility of emacs and support for all > the programming modes Emacs already has, I'll reconsider the argument, but > until then..... Trouble is, its not a free ride Tim. I know my children are impatient, far more than I. Perhaps the time investment is simply too much for todays generation? regards (and back using emacs non-condensed) -- Dave Pawson XSLT XSL-FO FAQ. http://www.dpawson.co.uk