From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Dave Pawson" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Font sources Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:37:36 +0100 Message-ID: <711a73df0709140537k11667927x7e2fe45f43f3233e@mail.gmail.com> References: <87myvqdk7m.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189773497 3042 80.91.229.12 (14 Sep 2007 12:38:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:38:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Tim X" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 14 14:38:14 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IWAQr-0008CG-87 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:38:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWAQp-0003Ng-Ve for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:38:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IWAQV-0003JZ-Um for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:37:39 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IWAQU-0003FE-2E for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:37:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWAQT-0003F0-RU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:37:37 -0400 Original-Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.237]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IWAQT-00014k-Hb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:37:37 -0400 Original-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 50so470690wra for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:37:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=LF3w3CHk/jd8YLcc4Iga85m+Xdq/J16EC0h94ATgZzk=; b=nZbOrH+VdrxyPBZnHCMXNvZrfavtkohEuqToXSksAflPdcTsT9Qx2Dm1vI/iYGHWTSlSLl4zunoua1LQyVNG/+7TYF0LBJl+wDnw+tqa/PMJ3V9mtHCxu4DAuWb04B5tKNaZttpnuMHat5MayD2ySeuymFVnzKlXBXKo4pjHQ4E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aMQ/2Jsxxsa9/msZMrqNCQBcCh0olKd/3qI2bJrC2iq+NHKODxxtXhXtTNWNhNrQgjwc8a5MssHa0EHC9if2UthKZP3OdWqyUG6oCBF8c/mh+bPzGABDwH75LyU6VTOWFItQCysV7dktJ568uQkhxLW/Ol4MC4tN3QHzO9bmxb8= Original-Received: by 10.142.187.2 with SMTP id k2mr402660wff.1189773456278; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.141.69.5 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 05:37:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87myvqdk7m.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> Content-Disposition: inline X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:47587 Archived-At: Not often he's wrong, but he's right again. On 14/09/2007, Tim X wrote: > when running under X, emacs gets its fonts from the X server. $ service status-all ... xfs dead but pid file exists etc. [dpawson@marge ~]$ service xfs start Starting xfs: rm: cannot remove directory `/tmp/.font-unix': Operation not permitted mkdir: cannot create directory `/tmp/.font-unix': File exists chown: changing ownership of `/tmp/.font-unix': Operation not permitted chmod: changing permissions of `/tmp/.font-unix': Operation not permitted touch: cannot touch `/var/lock/subsys/xfs': Permission denied OK ] I guess it's a permissions thing again. Interesting. >From (warning, long url) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue91#head-19ec5321d5ef52030bdd6910bd5b9a3bf97d5cb3 quote. Olivier's comment and bravely plunged on[5], arguing that Emacs was "going the way of the dodo because it targets 1995-ish desktops". A swarm of questioners including AndrewHaley sought clarification from Nicolas, to which he responded[6] that Emacs didn't use the desktop font infrastructure, i18n, a11y, one of the main GUI toolkits, or integrate with the printing infrastructure. Seems like xfs is going out of fashion on Fedora. Wonder if other OS's will follow this direction. regards -- Dave Pawson XSLT XSL-FO FAQ. http://www.dpawson.co.uk