Tracing what is loading

Tracing what is loading

[Harry Putnam]

I hope I've used good judgement here.  I'm running 23 but the question
is so basic I thought better to keep the line noise off the devel list
and ask here.

How can I ensure that some specific code of my choosing is loaded at
the earliest possible point when emacs starts.

What I want to do is load something like this:

;;[Tip from Kai G] make loaded files give a message
 (defadvice load (before debug-log activate)
(message "Now loading: %s" (locate-library (ad-get-arg 0))))

That will tell exactly what is loading and in what order.

Maybe there is a better or hopefully simpler way like possibly
compiling something directly into the binary when it is compiled.

Re: Tracing what is loading

[Juanma Barranquero]

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 00:34, Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:

> ;;[Tip from Kai G] make loaded files give a message
>  (defadvice load (before debug-log activate)
> (message "Now loading: %s" (locate-library (ad-get-arg 0))))
>
> That will tell exactly what is loading and in what order.

That will skip calls to Fload from C code (defadvice does not work for
calls from C).

> Maybe there is a better or hopefully simpler way like possibly
> compiling something directly into the binary when it is compiled.

Not necessarily simpler. If you want to do that on a permanent basis,
you can add code to Fload to show a message. If it is just once for
some debugging, you can use the trace facilities of GDB.

    Juanma

speedbar question

[Maindoor]

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I wanted to use mouse-1 single click to do all i want in 
speedbar instead of use mouse-2 ( scroll button ) click.
I couldn't find an easy way so I edited dframe.el and 
swapped down-mouse-1 event and mouse-2 event. 
Now I got exactly what I want but the problem is 
that everytime i move the mouse in speedbar, i always
get some highlight as if i am trying to copy something.
Is there anyway to get around this or is there a way to 
solve this correctly   ?

Thanks,



      

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RE: speedbar question

[Drew Adams]

 
> I wanted to use mouse-1 single click to do all i want in 
> speedbar instead of use mouse-2 ( scroll button ) click.
> I couldn't find an easy way so I edited dframe.el and 
> swapped down-mouse-1 event and mouse-2 event. 
> Now I got exactly what I want but the problem is 
> that everytime i move the mouse in speedbar, i always
> get some highlight as if i am trying to copy something.
> Is there anyway to get around this or is there a way to 
> solve this correctly   ?
	
[Plain text, not HTML mail, please.]

What Emacs version are you using? In Emacs 22 or later `mouse-1' should do what
you want by default, and the behavior is controlled by option
`mouse-1-click-follows-link'.
		

RE: speedbar question

[Maindoor]

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I'm using 23.0.60.1 which would be the very latest, I'm running ubuntu 8.04.
mouse-1 doesn't do anything in speedbar, while clicking the button in scroll wheel( mouse-2) or the middle button in thinkpad selects the buffer or expands etc. 
I think its a trivial bug. But by customizing i should be able to change it, I'm wondering how.

The reason I'm saying its a trivial bug is because, it is not intuitive and because, if you
are familiar with dframe.el in speedbar, middle button is mapped to dframe-click event
and mouse-1 is mapped to dframe-double-click event in dframe.el which is kind of 
inverse. Please let me know if you have any ideas on how to customize it.

Thanks.


--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: speedbar question
To: sanjeevfiles@yahoo.com, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 8:51 PM

 
> I wanted to use mouse-1 single click to do all i want in 
> speedbar instead of use mouse-2 ( scroll button ) click.
> I couldn't find an easy way so I edited dframe.el and 
> swapped down-mouse-1 event and mouse-2 event. 
> Now I got exactly what I want but the problem is 
> that everytime i move the mouse in speedbar, i always
> get some highlight as if i am trying to copy something.
> Is there anyway to get around this or is there a way to 
> solve this correctly   ?
	
[Plain text, not HTML mail, please.]

What Emacs version are you using? In Emacs 22 or later `mouse-1' should do
what
you want by default, and the behavior is controlled by option
`mouse-1-click-follows-link'.
		






      

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RE: speedbar question

[Drew Adams]

> > > I wanted to use mouse-1 single click to do all i want in 
> > > speedbar instead of use mouse-2 ( scroll button ) click.
> > > I couldn't find an easy way so I edited dframe.el and 
> > > swapped down-mouse-1 event and mouse-2 event. 
> > > Now I got exactly what I want but the problem is 
> > > that everytime i move the mouse in speedbar, i always
> > > get some highlight as if i am trying to copy something.
> > > Is there anyway to get around this or is there a way to 
> > > solve this correctly   ?
> > 
> > What Emacs version are you using? In Emacs 22 or later `mouse-1' should
> > do what you want by default, and the behavior is controlled by option
> > `mouse-1-click-follows-link'.
> 		
> I'm using 23.0.60.1 which would be the very latest, I'm running ubuntu
> 8.04.  mouse-1 doesn't do anything in speedbar, while clicking the
> button in scroll wheel( mouse-2) or the middle button in thinkpad
> selects the buffer or expands etc.  I think its a trivial bug. But by
> customizing i should be able to change it, I'm wondering how.
> 
> The reason I'm saying its a trivial bug is because, it is not
> intuitive and because, if you are familiar with dframe.el in speedbar,
> middle button is mapped to dframe-click event and mouse-1 is mapped to
> dframe-double-click event in dframe.el which is kind of
> inverse. Please let me know if you have any ideas on how to customize it.
		
[Please don't top-post.  Use plain text, not HTML, for this mailing list.]

Are you using emacs -Q? If not, perhaps something in your .emacs is
causing the problem. What is your value of `mouse-1-click-follows-link'?

I don't see the problem, with emacs -Q in this build:

In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
 of 2008-11-24 on LENNART-69DE564
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags
-Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping'

If your version is more recent than that, check Emacs NEWS (`C-h n')
to see if this change was intentional. If it was not, please file an
Emacs bug: `M-x report-emacs-bug'.
	
		
		

		

RE: speedbar question

[Maindoor]

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I tried emacs -Q but the behavior is the same. and some
version on windows works fine too. I think this is a bug
and I've filed a bug report too.

Thanks.

--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: speedbar question
To: sanjeevfiles@yahoo.com, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 10:40 PM

> > > I wanted to use mouse-1 single click to do all i want in 
> > > speedbar instead of use mouse-2 ( scroll button ) click.
> > > I couldn't find an easy way so I edited dframe.el and 
> > > swapped down-mouse-1 event and mouse-2 event. 
> > > Now I got exactly what I want but the problem is 
> > > that everytime i move the mouse in speedbar, i always
> > > get some highlight as if i am trying to copy something.
> > > Is there anyway to get around this or is there a way to 
> > > solve this correctly   ?
> > 
> > What Emacs version are you using? In Emacs 22 or later `mouse-1'
should
> > do what you want by default, and the behavior is controlled by option
> > `mouse-1-click-follows-link'.
> 		
> I'm using 23.0.60.1 which would be the very latest, I'm running
ubuntu
> 8.04.  mouse-1 doesn't do anything in speedbar, while clicking the
> button in scroll wheel( mouse-2) or the middle button in thinkpad
> selects the buffer or expands etc.  I think its a trivial bug. But by
> customizing i should be able to change it, I'm wondering how.
> 
> The reason I'm saying its a trivial bug is because, it is not
> intuitive and because, if you are familiar with dframe.el in speedbar,
> middle button is mapped to dframe-click event and mouse-1 is mapped to
> dframe-double-click event in dframe.el which is kind of
> inverse. Please let me know if you have any ideas on how to customize it.
		
[Please don't top-post.  Use plain text, not HTML, for this mailing list.]

Are you using emacs -Q? If not, perhaps something in your .emacs is
causing the problem. What is your value of `mouse-1-click-follows-link'?

I don't see the problem, with emacs -Q in this build:

In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
 of 2008-11-24 on LENNART-69DE564
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags
-Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping'

If your version is more recent than that, check Emacs NEWS (`C-h n')
to see if this change was intentional. If it was not, please file an
Emacs bug: `M-x report-emacs-bug'.
	
		
		

		





      

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Speedbar is messed up

[Maindoor]

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Looks like this issue is there for a while: who made it this
way ? Its awful. Thanks to Drew Adams for pointing me
in the right direction.

http://www.nabble.com/New-speedbar-version-td1003419.html

Some one fix this. I tried playing with the 
mouse-1-click-follows-link variable, still nothing.

sanjeev.

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Maindoor <sanjeevfiles@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Maindoor <sanjeevfiles@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: speedbar question
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:12 AM

I tried emacs -Q but the behavior is the same. and some
version on windows works fine too. I think this is a bug
and I've filed a bug report too.

Thanks.

--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: speedbar question
To: sanjeevfiles@yahoo.com, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 10:40 PM

> > > I wanted to use mouse-1 single click to do all i want in 
> > > speedbar instead of use mouse-2 ( scroll button ) click.
> > > I couldn't find an easy way so I edited dframe.el and 
> > > swapped down-mouse-1 event and mouse-2 event. 
> > > Now I got exactly
 what I want but the problem is 
> > > that everytime i move the mouse in speedbar, i always
> > > get some highlight as if i am trying to copy something.
> > > Is there anyway to get around this or is there a way to 
> > > solve this correctly   ?
> > 
> > What Emacs version are you using? In Emacs 22 or later `mouse-1'
should
> > do what you want by default, and the behavior is controlled by option
> > `mouse-1-click-follows-link'.
> 		
> I'm using 23.0.60.1 which would be the very latest, I'm running
ubuntu
> 8.04.  mouse-1 doesn't do anything in speedbar, while clicking the
> button in scroll wheel( mouse-2) or the middle button in thinkpad
> selects the buffer or expands etc.  I think its a trivial bug. But by
> customizing i should be able to change it, I'm wondering how.
> 
> The reason I'm saying its a trivial
 bug is because, it is not
> intuitive and because, if you are familiar with dframe.el in speedbar,
> middle button is mapped to dframe-click event and mouse-1 is mapped to
> dframe-double-click event in dframe.el which is kind of
> inverse. Please let me know if you have any ideas on how to customize it.
		
[Please don't top-post.  Use plain text, not HTML, for this mailing list.]

Are you using emacs -Q? If not, perhaps something in your .emacs is
causing the problem. What is your value of `mouse-1-click-follows-link'?

I don't see the problem, with emacs -Q in this build:

In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
 of 2008-11-24 on LENNART-69DE564
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags
-Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping'

If your version is more recent than that, check Emacs NEWS (`C-h
 n')
to see if this change was intentional. If it was not, please file an
Emacs bug: `M-x report-emacs-bug'.
	
		
		

		







      


      

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Re: Speedbar is messed up

[Maindoor]

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Including some folks who seemed to have worked on this:

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Maindoor <sanjeevfiles@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Maindoor <sanjeevfiles@yahoo.com>
Subject: Speedbar is messed up
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 12:36 PM

Looks like this issue is there for a while: who made it this
way ? Its awful. Thanks to Drew Adams for pointing me
in the right direction.

http://www.nabble.com/New-speedbar-version-td1003419.html

Some one fix this. I tried playing with the 
mouse-1-click-follows-link variable, still nothing.

sanjeev.

--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Maindoor <sanjeevfiles@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Maindoor <sanjeevfiles@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: speedbar question
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 11:12 AM

I tried emacs -Q but the behavior is the same. and some
version on windows works fine too. I think this is a bug
and I've filed a bug report too.

Thanks.

--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: speedbar question
To: sanjeevfiles@yahoo.com, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 10:40 PM

> > > I wanted to use mouse-1 single click to do all i want in 
> > > speedbar instead of use mouse-2 ( scroll button ) click.
> > > I couldn't find an easy way so I edited dframe.el and 
> > >
 swapped down-mouse-1 event and mouse-2 event. 
> > > Now I got exactly
 what I want but the problem is 
> > > that everytime i move the mouse in speedbar, i always
> > > get some highlight as if i am trying to copy something.
> > > Is there anyway to get around this or is there a way to 
> > > solve this correctly   ?
> > 
> > What Emacs version are you using? In Emacs 22 or later `mouse-1'
should
> > do what you want by default, and the behavior is controlled by option
> > `mouse-1-click-follows-link'.
> 		
> I'm using 23.0.60.1 which would be the very latest, I'm running
ubuntu
> 8.04.  mouse-1 doesn't do anything in speedbar, while clicking the
> button in scroll wheel( mouse-2) or the middle button in thinkpad
> selects the buffer or expands etc.  I think its a trivial bug. But by
> customizing i should be able
 to change it, I'm wondering how.
> 
> The reason I'm saying its a trivial
 bug is because, it is not
> intuitive and because, if you are familiar with dframe.el in speedbar,
> middle button is mapped to dframe-click event and mouse-1 is mapped to
> dframe-double-click event in dframe.el which is kind of
> inverse. Please let me know if you have any ideas on how to customize it.
		
[Please don't top-post.  Use plain text, not HTML, for this mailing list.]

Are you using emacs -Q? If not, perhaps something in your .emacs is
causing the problem. What is your value of `mouse-1-click-follows-link'?

I don't see the problem, with emacs -Q in this build:

In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
 of 2008-11-24 on LENNART-69DE564
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags
-Ic:/g/include
 -fno-crossjumping'

If your version is more recent than that, check Emacs NEWS (`C-h
 n')
to see if this change was intentional. If it was not, please file an
Emacs bug: `M-x report-emacs-bug'.
	
		
		

		







      


      


      

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RE: speedbar question

[Maindoor]

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mouse-1-click-follows-link value is 450.

--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: speedbar question
To: sanjeevfiles@yahoo.com, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 10:40 PM

> > > I wanted to use mouse-1 single click to do all i want in 
> > > speedbar instead of use mouse-2 ( scroll button ) click.
> > > I couldn't find an easy way so I edited dframe.el and 
> > > swapped down-mouse-1 event and mouse-2 event. 
> > > Now I got exactly what I want but the problem is 
> > > that everytime i move the mouse in speedbar, i always
> > > get some highlight as if i am trying to copy something.
> > > Is there anyway to get around this or is there a way to 
> > > solve this correctly   ?
> > 
> > What Emacs version are you using? In Emacs 22 or later `mouse-1'
should
> > do what you want by default, and the behavior is controlled by option
> > `mouse-1-click-follows-link'.
> 		
> I'm using 23.0.60.1 which would be the very latest, I'm running
ubuntu
> 8.04.  mouse-1 doesn't do anything in speedbar, while clicking the
> button in scroll wheel( mouse-2) or the middle button in thinkpad
> selects the buffer or expands etc.  I think its a trivial bug. But by
> customizing i should be able to change it, I'm wondering how.
> 
> The reason I'm saying its a trivial bug is because, it is not
> intuitive and because, if you are familiar with dframe.el in speedbar,
> middle button is mapped to dframe-click event and mouse-1 is mapped to
> dframe-double-click event in dframe.el which is kind of
> inverse. Please let me know if you have any ideas on how to customize it.
		
[Please don't top-post.  Use plain text, not HTML, for this mailing list.]

Are you using emacs -Q? If not, perhaps something in your .emacs is
causing the problem. What is your value of `mouse-1-click-follows-link'?

I don't see the problem, with emacs -Q in this build:

In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
 of 2008-11-24 on LENNART-69DE564
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags
-Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping'

If your version is more recent than that, check Emacs NEWS (`C-h n')
to see if this change was intentional. If it was not, please file an
Emacs bug: `M-x report-emacs-bug'.
	
		
		

		





      

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Re: Tracing what is loading

[Harry Putnam]

"Juanma Barranquero" <lekktu@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 00:34, Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>> ;;[Tip from Kai G] make loaded files give a message
>>  (defadvice load (before debug-log activate)
>> (message "Now loading: %s" (locate-library (ad-get-arg 0))))
>>
>> That will tell exactly what is loading and in what order.
>
> That will skip calls to Fload from C code (defadvice does not work for
> calls from C).
>
>> Maybe there is a better or hopefully simpler way like possibly
>> compiling something directly into the binary when it is compiled.
>
> Not necessarily simpler. If you want to do that on a permanent basis,
> you can add code to Fload to show a message. If it is just once for
> some debugging, you can use the trace facilities of GDB.

  google on `emacs Fload' turns of a big mess of nothing

  A search on gmane in emacs.help group on `fload' turns up one hit and
  its just a gush of output from some kind of compile command.

  find /usr/share/emacs -iname '*fload*'
  <no hits>

I've been using emacs for 10 yrs now (Probably should not admit
that..) and I've never heard of `Fload'.

So ok, I'll bite.. what is `Fload'?
  

Re: Tracing what is loading

[Juanma Barranquero]

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 23:09, Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:

> So ok, I'll bite.. what is `Fload'?

Sorry.

Fload is the `load' function. If you search the C code, you'll see
that emacs lisp functions defined in C are called F + name of
function.

What I wanted to say is that the load function is defined in C (and
called Fload in the C code), so if you advise it you won't get
information about the times it is called from other C code (search
Fload in the src/ directory to see where does that happen). But you
can modify Fload and add code to show what it is loading.

    Juanma

Re: Tracing what is loading

[Harry Putnam]

"Juanma Barranquero" <lekktu@gmail.com> writes:

> Fload is the `load' function. If you search the C code, you'll see
> that emacs lisp functions defined in C are called F + name of
> function.
>
> What I wanted to say is that the load function is defined in C (and
> called Fload in the C code), so if you advise it you won't get
> information about the times it is called from other C code (search
> Fload in the src/ directory to see where does that happen). But you
> can modify Fload and add code to show what it is loading.

I see, so the more I think about this the more it looks pretty
daunting.  One thing that should make it easier though is that I don't
really need to track the c code..

What I'm after is to get something into the init process ahead of
everything else.  Something that reports what is loading... (except c
code).  My aim is to get one jump ahead of the OS developers who think
they need to interfere or `direct' emacs for me.  To me it can be
pretty confusing to determine what is happening as emacs starts up.

I'm just trying to see what files get loaded before my own `site-start'
file, So I can either head it off or leave it alone depending on what
it seems to try to do. The `site' in this case is just a single user
machine so no problems dealing with disgruntled users if I do stuff in
site-start.el in order to keep .emacs to some sensible size.

From Dmitrys' post I got the URL:
  (info "(elisp) Standard Hooks")
And tracked it into this section where I found this:

   (info "(elisp) Init File")

 -- Variable: before-init-hook
     This normal hook is run, once, just before loading all the init
     files (the user's init file, `default.el', and/or `site-start.el').
     (The only way to change it with real effect is before dumping
     Emacs.)

Its not at all clear what it means to say it is `run' once but it
doesn't really sound like it can be taken advantage of.

If so; Would this involve just a text edit?  I'm not at all sure how
to take advantage of a `hook'.  I have a few in my init files but they
are blatantly plagerized here or some other group like the gnus
groups.