From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: edgar@openmail.cc Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 04:23:43 +0000 Message-ID: <6e7b93f8ed74e9fa8d96e2613cd5c70d@openmail.cc> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527074300 29317 195.159.176.226 (23 May 2018 11:18:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 11:18:20 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.4 To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 23 13:18:16 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fLRmZ-0007VQ-G7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 May 2018 13:18:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60675 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLRoe-0006sh-HL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 May 2018 07:20:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50177) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLRlE-00056Y-57 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 May 2018 07:16:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLRlD-0006iS-4i for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 May 2018 07:16:52 -0400 Original-Received: from onethreetwo.vfemail.net ([199.16.11.132]:29881 helo=vfemail.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLRlC-0006i6-UH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 23 May 2018 07:16:51 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 78682 invoked by uid 89); 23 May 2018 11:16:47 -0000 Original-Received: from localhost (HELO freequeue.vfemail.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 23 May 2018 11:16:47 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 88989 invoked by uid 89); 23 May 2018 04:23:45 -0000 Original-Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 88987, pid: 88988, t: 0.0020s scanners:none Original-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp102-2.vfemail.net) (172.16.100.62) by FreeQueue with SMTP; 23 May 2018 04:23:45 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 23503 invoked by uid 89); 23 May 2018 04:23:33 -0000 Original-Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 23496, pid: 23499, t: 0.0390s scanners:none Original-Received: from unknown (HELO www.vfemail.net) (ZWRnYXJAb3Blbm1haWwuY2M=@172.16.100.92) by 172.16.100.62 with ESMTPA; 23 May 2018 04:23:33 -0000 Original-Received: from mEdNoyAlc8mdYs+9lFjEbCbRsVseWMHDA9KLq2rtx58= (VvcJcHQ/iDvcvHuZgY4g2Q8W39PMyoTV) by www.vfemail.net with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Tue, 22 May 2018 23:23:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-Sender: edgar@openmail.cc X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 8.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 199.16.11.132 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116838 Archived-At: > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 06:58:08 -1000 > From: Bob Newell > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 9:10 PM, wrote: > >> That doesn't mean to give up on one's position, nor to give up on >> convincing the "other" -- but it includes (and that's the painful >> part :-) accepting the possibility to be convinced by the "other". > > And in fact there is another possibility: that you may /both/ be right > in your own individual ways; there may in fact not be a single > objective "right" way. Much as it pains me to say a Microsoft user > could be right--- it may be the best way for some people and some > tasks. I have one: "Proprietary software rejects their thirst for knowledge: it says, “The knowledge you want is a secret—learning is forbidden!” Proprietary software is the enemy of the spirit of education, so it should not be tolerated in a school, except as an object for reverse engineering." [https://www.gnu.org/education/edu-schools.en.html] > Now, we get into the question of someone /imposing/ their "right" > answer on someone else who has a different "right" answer ... and all > the questions in the long thread above return. Oh! The nice practice of achieving freedom by imposition! :) > > -- > Bob Newell > Honolulu, Hawai`i Thanks, Bob. Aloha again! ------------------------------------------------- ONLY AT VFEmail! - Use our Metadata Mitigator to keep your email out of the NSA's hands! $24.95 ONETIME Lifetime accounts with Privacy Features! 15GB disk! 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