From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs changed file's own user and file permission Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:26:55 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <6d664f3b-393b-47a3-ab8e-c1caa300b32d@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <4ad823b9-4941-4883-8771-de43d50913de@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <8240df36-3be3-443a-b657-bdb08165872e@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <87prxb4zno.fsf@W0053328.mgh.harvard.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1197484863 29388 80.91.229.12 (12 Dec 2007 18:41:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:41:03 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 12 19:41:13 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J2WVq-00006Y-7J for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:40:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J2WVY-0000jr-9P for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:40:36 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 90 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.236.67.2 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1197484016 6036 127.0.0.1 (12 Dec 2007 18:26:56 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.236.67.2; posting-account=qPxGtQkAAADb6PWdLGiWVucht1ZDR6fn User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/523.12 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0.4 Safari/523.12, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:154621 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:50044 Archived-At: The general question here, in our context, that we are debating, in more specific terms, is this: Is it reasonable, to say that Apple _choose_ a _unix_ based OS for their next generation of OS today known as Mac OS X. (by the phrase "choose unix", it is with the implication that Apple considers unix a good technology in 1996) If you agree that the above statement is what we are discussing, then i think you would agree with my answer of no. Otherwise, i can further expend educational efort if you have worthy questions. But if you do not agree that the above is what we are debating, then, perhaps you can put forth the question or paraphrase, then we, or i, may voice our opinion on what we think. * * * Xah wrote: $B!V(BApple didn't seek out a unix or unix-like OS when it went looking to buy a modern OS to replace their out-of-date Mac OS (Classic). Apple, as a business decision, happened to have bought a OS that happens to be unix-like.$B!W(B Joe wrote: $B!V(BHappens to be? How often do carefully designed things (NEXTSTEP) just happen to incorporate pieces of other designed things (BSD and Mach)?$B!W(B You need to understand what is meant by unix. In general, the quality of understanding and interpretation of phrases is part of knowledge academically taught in areas of philosophy, literature, social sciences. So, in general, if you studied a lot philosophy, literature, or social science subjects, then you are good or better. Otherwise, you do bad. To be specific, the term "unix" can be understood or interpreted in many contexts. Legal, political, social, technical, are the broad categories. Each aspect of consideration does not garantee us a unique, unambiguous, definition of what is meant by "unix". * * * Now, suppose, Microsoft went bankrupt tomorrow and the court orders that MS Windows and all MS software products are now public domain. Now, to the Opensource and unix morons, there is a big question whether we should use it. On one hand, it's a god-sent JOY. On the other, the tale-telling overnight obsolescence of unixes might reveal what a hypocrite the unixers've been in the past decades. What can we do?????? Don't worry. MS Windows, is unix too. (you the reader, do the home work and supply the reasons here) Further readings: * The Unix Pestilence http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/freebooks.html Xah xah@xahlee.org $B-t(B http://xahlee.org/ On Dec 12, 8:59 am, jadam...@partners.org (Joel J. Adamson) wrote: > XahLee writes: > > Apple didn't seek out a unix or unix-like OS when it went looking to > > buy a modern OS to replace their out-of-date Mac OS (Classic). Apple, > > as a business decision, happened to have bought a OS that happens to > > be unix-like. > > Happens to be? How often do carefully designed things (NEXTSTEP) just > happen to incorporate pieces of other designed things (BSD and Mach)? > > [...] > > > Apple computer, thru out its history of innovation and elegance, > > wouldn't have touched unix with a 9 meters pole. > > Then why did they choose it? > > Joel > > -- > Joel J. 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