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envelope-from=lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name; helo=server173-4.web-hosting.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/help-gnu-emacs>, <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs> List-Post: <mailto:help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs>, <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" <help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org> Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:126054 Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help/126054> > On 2020-12-05 13:18, Jean Louis wrote: > Before weeks I was discussing and trying to find something that could > replace the `helm' in Emacs, so that I spare using external > libraries. Then discussion with Drew clarified that what I am looking > is rather type of a filter. But I would like to filter by > relevance. Some packages like `ivy' and `helm' do offer relevance > searches. Yet I wish to spare the basic package from using external > functions. This way me or other users can use any completion or Emacs > built-in completion function which is generally more user friendly in > my opinion. In fairness I never actually used Helm, because in my initial research it looked to me to be much more obtrusuive and less in line with established Emacs conventions. I chose to go with Ivy at that time and never looked back. Apologies to anyone who prefer Helm, I am not trying to start some flame war. :) Strictly speaking, you are correct, as under the hood my understanding is that Ivy and Helm both implement a lot of their own things "on top of" or "in place of" the "built-in" options. However this is not something I have ever really noticed in terms of being any sort of "real" problem for me in the several years I have now been using Ivy. But rather something I only even became aware of more recently as a theoretical / structural criticism of Ivy/Helm coming from certain circles[0] who instead seem to prefer to implement something... I dunno, more "minimal" or...? If I'm being honest those criticisms struck me as a bit self-serving, especially coming from such a relative newcomer to the field. Also, I seem to recall hearing that there was some discussion about moving some part (or all?) of Ivy directly into Emacs itself? I do know that Ivy for a long time now have been assigning their copyrights to GNU, they are very upfront about this to contributors at their GitHub in fact. Even those who would criticise Ivy/Helm[0] admit that there is a lot more functionality that they offer than the "built-in" solutions. I realized this in developing some of my own (as yet unreleased) packages where I depend on some of that functionality, and thus, in fact require Ivy as a dependency. If this was more about search itself than choice of completion framework, I guess I totally missed the point, or maybe that's another discussion to have. Anyway, maybe give Ivy a try instead of Helm. Or if you are swayed by arguments at my footnote link, one of those other "minimal" completion frameworks. Cheers, TRS-80 [0] https://github.com/raxod502/selectrum#why-use-selectrum