From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_R=C3=B6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Enhancing ELisp for AI Work Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2024 11:57:08 +0100 Message-ID: <6c53521e-4aa6-40d1-b4a5-0e00989ad201@easy-emacs.de> References: <7290780.2375960.1734348492938.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <7290780.2375960.1734348492938@mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29918"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 24 11:57:43 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tQ2bf-0007ff-51 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 11:57:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQ2bF-00068r-2Z; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 05:57:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQ2bC-00061W-VP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 05:57:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.135]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQ2bA-0001tw-2U for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 05:57:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.61] ([89.247.171.255]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MUY5o-1szkJw3SbI-00OAej for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 11:57:08 +0100 Content-Language: de-DE In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:FbEVD2hrF4Em8w6NaLXVjiUuGRQPpa/UErToKVR2BR2m+5+NGx0 UZP+jR6mEqPIKe9g1mF5mscKtuM3xV+uLi9W0aNTgOvOGUJ1ASC51frtIylfs7HRtnr+fU1 lmW7avKkDt2JgnrUCWQv563lkd4othas3kmBWJg+7ReWOdmB0M755Zv+2mdAB9BBNGg1bfn pFoTT9W+LmCSxHuBhH5jg== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:U+6cYSwc094=;nWYy5RSwL8m/9XZQkwZkx039J/x JmNlheWPIEbMgzsNLgM/+1srFYizJ9A0UFnaXcqZPPJ7+moVUPHEY7kYeWc5d7Ehv0x4uJn1N jKonbQeS+Yi2A9MVWhbyTHUYFUYStHD+TNV164CRHpmyc/BMMlX2frWdWeA9MdaskdSw7XqSa lkkUmT6QA/Fps0MSAbx73sNt1uqoYiA7tuVuRb1SHNZ7h0K0k5GXS391wEYKFbt0qCyfTkHbH 0rcY4aZgV25kfWzfKYddsTM25pyG5T8OFLkYlh4QW5VJoOCxc1KXIkjP+LsL8ZTceyDYWSLc4 ccJzWV9NmV2PEmWmUUtIr/23mh68sN85uMC07B3D0MoPUIhoGeYuAOhn6C8/JP2f1VyC6dm33 Hs03WbNfog0Zv5N4+LyMCBmBKxSjF5m0ouuHasHi3pu1Jy2DEjFbnu/fFQzWhFaUi4tCDWTjV zguIeblq0INhOy+FtKmva/BII0hMkOf1V/UWQbb2WlqJstYhBxkeqdRnI4dqa9/1L89pIPpxD wSqlB45dvMRd5WFRyIbUvins7Uz3LvBi6v6TxfPtWH/KlbbU0uttVqZ0FhXxZK1s9S1Wj+Yoh /hppBLSKYP4N3r/ZCv2U4VGjS0NFgR62ADspOowkvky/ldizH/PUffWNR81wJ+4xB7coc+RTI EDThUTo20lMj2GN85MDFOYQVpIlXhb9oOz0xnzisMyMWgzIdbsNg5pZcfD1R3H3UYot/JB/P4 2y9gf1LDCT6pAdwvI5zxtknXsUEKHuQGyddszXi4oMxe81sMKIlv7H55FegEFhXjIdYO65/s Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.126.135; envelope-from=andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de; helo=mout.kundenserver.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:148947 Archived-At: Am 17.12.24 um 22:35 schrieb Jean Louis: > ChatGPT is bullshit | No, it isn't. We have a language problem, because we have something new. Must split the notion of intelligence. People tried to fly like a bird. Where they successful? Not really. But no bird is able to reach the moon. LLMs are able to reason. With the amount of data they will be -- and probably already are-- much stronger in reasoning/deduction then humans. LLMs are creativ, constructing new terms from reasoning. They will be indispensable in science. All depends on context. With no context, humans too can't answer a single question.