From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E0=B0=9C=E0=B0=BF=E0=B0=82=E0=B0=A6=E0=B0=82_=E0=B0=B5?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E0=B0=BE=E0=B0=90=E0=B0=BF?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making new files Date: Sun, 05 May 2024 07:39:28 +0530 Message-ID: <6be36d13834911de93abf7f8b71d0154@disroot.org> References: <86jzkagfgd.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18086"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 05 04:10:13 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1s3RKP-0004UJ-0q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 05 May 2024 04:10:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3RJt-0001OE-Vz; Sat, 04 May 2024 22:09:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3RJs-0001Nc-FV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 22:09:40 -0400 Original-Received: from layka.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3RJm-0000Hg-IN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 22:09:40 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: SPAM Filter at disroot.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1714874969; bh=8SmJvmaivYu+156ffRkttwSNy8Nv9XHUbXwabDacrH0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=OLzMnDnkpQuMJFXaQeqjTsgQVgRNO92g1N8x/fjLEaThbdiGeTdoJ6BeMLqbEcks4 pMBaBhUhBs3Ts0yCP/mjm4r4giK2emS3tUn/hCaGgPj3hk4VKFTJpYx0gPuv4Ci8F9 ZPMqdnwYFi0C76UlQ6yIQJzGVGrsnUli1PD9TfQU4fZgLKKm4FuO0xIwSXf9v7MPqf AyuH39z5ZLaPqGEhNWLYKc3vt5M/ksVpAuvTCRCX/EkRTSFi0U7LTrp+u9Fp+RbiZh k1h3Rrgjfob9syTa0PSuKhVC9LFxx5WLz+pCuyZb15suLN9UCIczD2EPvfOL7SJ2wM n+yQNz13uVYHA== In-Reply-To: X-Sender: jindam.vani@disroot.org Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.21.23.139; envelope-from=jindam.vani@disroot.org; helo=layka.disroot.org X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:146545 Archived-At: On 2024-05-04 21:38, Heime wrote: > Sent with Proton Mail secure email. > > On Saturday, May 4th, 2024 at 8:16 PM, Eli Zaretskii > wrote: > >> > From: Yuri Khan yuri.v.khan@gmail.com >> > Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 14:41:50 +0700 >> > Cc: Heime heimeborgia@protonmail.com, >> > Heime via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org >> > >> > On Sat, 4 May 2024 at 07:16, Po Lu luangruo@yahoo.com wrote: >> > >> > > > I always struggle in emacs because there is no way to make a new file >> > > > from the "File" menu. Can "New File" be added please. >> > > >> > > "Visit New File." >> > >> > That’s not exactly what Users New To Emacs™ expect from a File → New command. >> >> >> But that's what we decided to have instead of "File->New". There were >> >> a lot of discussions about it quite a few years ago, and we ended up >> implementing that, for reasons that you can find in the discussion >> (there's more here than meets the eye, as usually with Emacs). >> >> So we are not going to change that any time soon. The "New" in "Visit >> New File" should tell the user this is what they want, and the >> help-echo tooltip should help some more. >> >> > The standard behavior of File → New is to create a blank buffer, no >> > questions asked. The decision as to the name and location of the file >> > is deferred to the first explicit save. Emacs, on the other hand, asks >> > for the name up front. >> >> >> Emacs is not like "other apps" out there, it has its own logic and >> paradigms, which are usually well-thought. Users of Emacs should >> realize the value of the Emacs behavior (for example, the fact that in >> this case Emacs automatically choses the correct modes for the new >> file), and appreciate it, rather than look for the inferior behavior >> characteristic of "other apps". > > That's what your stupid minds decided. * in opensource packages, its quite common, which tests your nerve or you are in complete disagreement * i didnt remember package name, however, on the package website, its clearly indicated what and what not features they can implement * in other words, they are subjective * i too felt same way ;) * however, once i forced myself completely dependant on emacs, i fully appreciate benefits of choice made by emacs devs about "making new file" > One does "Visit New File", to > get "Find File" to show up in the "Title Bar". Find file on something > that does not exist. "Visiting something that does not exist" !!! > I suggest going back to school and relearn the englrish language > properly. > > "Make New File", not "Visit New File" or any other nonsense you > decided. > You are creating confusion for benefits of convenience. People do not > work like that. Confusion brings more confusion and more confusion. > One can get fundamental mode, and a user can change it. Or reload the > file and get the mode chosen automatically. -- regards, జిందం వాఐి [ jindam, vani ] web_ jindam.neocities.org [matrix]_ @jindam:oikei.net