From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rusi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Easy/Possible to globally change prompt strings of messages? e.g. changing find-file's prompt string from "Find file:" to "open file:" ? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 19:31:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <63febb13-892d-4fe8-b1e6-e074c8edb6f5@googlegroups.com> References: <90b92a22-d34c-4f7e-953e-74444f42e767@googlegroups.com> <54CB109E.1030802@gmail.com> <54CC1410.1050408@gmail.com> <54CC2360.20102@gmail.com> <54CC2420.9050306@gmail.com> <87y4ohlora.fsf@web.de> <54CEB42D.2020002@gmail.com> <87egq8ugz6.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1422934520 21435 80.91.229.3 (3 Feb 2015 03:35:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 03:35:20 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 03 04:35:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YIUGl-0000lE-Mo for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2015 04:35:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57628 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YIUGl-0004FS-4w for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 22:35:19 -0500 X-Received: by 10.66.156.227 with SMTP id wh3mr20247982pab.23.1422934320675; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 19:32:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.57.104 with SMTP id h8mr204213igq.15.1422934320573; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 19:32:00 -0800 (PST) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!hl2no8305654igb.0!news-out.google.com!qk8ni19963igc.0!nntp.google.com!hl2no8305652igb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=59.95.8.60; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 59.95.8.60 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 03:32:00 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:210176 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:102453 Archived-At: On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 3:41:46 AM UTC+5:30, Drew Adams wrote: > > > OK. Thanks everyone for your help. I think I'll just get used to "Find > > > file" for now. :) > > > > For now. Yeah, sure. > > And in five years, when some Emacs newbie asks you about all those > > strange terms, you'll say: "Young \(wo\)?man, forget about the newspeak > > of opening files in panes, using tabs, cutting and pasting, moving the > > cursor and pressing Ctrl+F. Instead, embrace the ancient wisdom of > > visiting files in windows, using buffers, killing and yanking, moving > > the point and pressing C-s." Welcome to the rabbit hole. > > Yup. "Ancient wisdom" or not, rabbit hole or not, that's the Emacs > jargon. > > Suppose you do change things locally to teach Emacs not to use its > own jargon etc. - and you can do so to different degrees, though it > might mean jumping through a few hoops (is it worth it?). > > Then you have difficulty communicating with (e.g., helping) others, > because that jargon is what is used by the application itself and its > community. > > For better or worse. Learn to speak Emacs - that's my advice. Whether > you think it represents "ancient wisdom" or not. And if you feel strongly > about some bit of jargon, then argue on emacs-devel to change it. I started using emacs around '92 -- context was (some predecessor) of comint. Teaching python with emacs 10 years later. And now for the first time in all these years, Ive switched from emacs to idle (for teaching python) Sad.... Yeah beauty, power, generality, programmability, cuteness and much else is fine But ultimately the need to back out of the rabbit hole wins [Just to be clear: Ive not given up on emacs, just given up on emacs-evangelism]