From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: When do you prefer frames instead of windows? Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:21:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <602f48d7-f767-43d6-8c91-456b582bbc6b@default> References: <(message> <24> <2014> <17:40:42> <+0100)> <87a93g1305.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416889354 18294 80.91.229.3 (25 Nov 2014 04:22:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 04:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Robert Thorpe , Raffaele Ricciardi Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 25 05:22:26 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xt7du-0008NZ-NQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 05:22:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55400 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xt7du-0004A1-1a for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 23:22:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42418) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xt7db-00049s-Ue for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 23:22:12 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xt7dT-0000c1-7K for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 23:22:03 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:22100) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xt7dT-0000bu-0Z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 23:21:55 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id sAP4LrC0012489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 04:21:53 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sAP4LqxG008932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 04:21:52 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sAP4Lqot010504; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 04:21:52 GMT In-Reply-To: <87a93g1305.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101144 Archived-At: > Modern X Windows environments have keybindings for common operations > on frames. However, Microsoft Windows only has a few of those, to > tiresome switching between the keyboard and mouse is needed. I use > both X and MS Windows daily. I generally prefer using Emacs windows > rather than frames becuase they can be manipulated using the keyboard > on all platforms. It should be possible, out of the box, to do that in Emacs itself. One set of keys for all platforms, and any set of keys you yourself choose. I wrote: > With Emacs this is even better, as you can manipulate frames > using the keyboard, not just the mouse. > > However, out of the box, support for using Emacs frames is pretty > primitive. So I jump through a bunch of configuration hooks to > be able to use them easily (including keyboard manipulation). You need to be able to do the same kinds of things with frames that you can do with Emacs windows - *from the keyboard* (and with a mouse). Including move around incrementally, resize incrementally, cycle/choose, tile/split, and so on. I use Emacs that way, but as I say, this is not provided out of the box with `emacs -Q'. (It should be, IMO.) I really would be interested in people's answers to my question, BTW: > IF you could use Emacs frames as easily as you can use Emacs > windows, in what scenarios would you prefer using Emacs windows, > and why?