displaying the EUR-Sign in normal buffers

displaying the EUR-Sign in normal buffers

[Klaus Berndl]

I'm using NTEmacs 21.2 with Windows XP and the Oort Gnus 0.07. 
Here the EUR-symbol is displayed automatically well.

Value of *current-language-environment* is "German".

But if I'm not using Gnus but any other normal buffer in my Emacs 
the EUR-Symbol is not displayed. I suppose the reason is that i do 
not using a latin-15 charset but a latin-1. The problem is that i 
want to use latin-15 instead of latin-1 but i do not know how?!

What must i add to my .emacs or which option must i customize so 
that in all buffers the EUR-symbol can be displayed?

Many thanks in advance!
Klaus

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Re: displaying the EUR-Sign in normal buffers

[Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>]

> I'm using NTEmacs 21.2 with Windows XP and the Oort Gnus 0.07. Here the
> EUR-symbol is displayed automatically well.

Characters are never displayed "automatically": they're only displayed if
they are present in the buffer.

> But if I'm not using Gnus but any other normal buffer in my Emacs the
> EUR-Symbol is not displayed.

What is displayed in its place ?

> I suppose the reason is that i do not using a latin-15 charset but
> a latin-1. The problem is that i want to use latin-15 instead of latin-1
> but i do not know how?!

Set your LANG envvar to de_DE@euro ?


        Stefan

Re: displaying the EUR-Sign in normal buffers

[maierh]

"Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>" <monnier+gnu.emacs.help/news/@flint.cs.yale.edu> writes:

>> I suppose the reason is that i do not using a latin-15 charset but
>> a latin-1. The problem is that i want to use latin-15 instead of latin-1
>> but i do not know how?!
>
> Set your LANG envvar to de_DE@euro ?

Tried it with emacs -q --no-site-file and it works fine. Anyway if I
try to insert the Euro-Sign I get the following error:

  \200 is undefined

Any idea?

Harald

Re: displaying the EUR-Sign in normal buffers

[Klaus Berndl]

On 04 Oct 2002, Stefan Monnier wrote:



> > I'm using NTEmacs 21.2 with Windows XP and the Oort Gnus 0.07. 
Here the
> > EUR-symbol is displayed automatically well.
>
>  Characters are never displayed "automatically": they're only 
displayed if
>  they are present in the buffer.

:-) Ok, i will try to be more precise: If a posting contains the 
EUR sign (€) then it is displayed automatically (means i have 
nothing to configure in Gnus for this) correctly in the 
summary-buffer as well as in the message- or article buffer.

>
> > But if I'm not using Gnus but any other normal buffer in my 
Emacs the
> > EUR-Symbol is not displayed.
>
>  What is displayed in its place ?

If for example i insert an EUR sign (€) in Microsoft Word, copy it 
to the clipboard and try to insert it into a normal Emacs-buffer 
(e.g. *scratch*) then i get only \200.

>
> > I suppose the reason is that i do not using a latin-15 charset 
but
> > a latin-1. The problem is that i want to use latin-15 instead 
of latin-1
> > but i do not know how?!
>
>  Set your LANG envvar to de_DE@euro ?

Ok, after this my *current-language-environment* has value 
"Latin-9" which seems to be correct but nevertheless i have no 
success with inserting an EUR sign (€), neither by pasting from 
the clipboard (still getting \200) nor by hitting the 
key-combination (German keyboard: Alt Gr + e) which inserts € into 
a Word-document for example (in Emacs no reaction means nothing is 
inserted).

Is this clearer now?

Ciao,
Klaus

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Re: displaying the EUR-Sign in normal buffers

[Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>]

> If for example i insert an EUR sign (€) in Microsoft Word, copy it to the
> clipboard and try to insert it into a normal Emacs-buffer (e.g. *scratch*)
> then i get only \200.

But it works OK for other latin-9 characters ?  Odd !
Maybe that rings a bell for someone else ?  Eli ?


        Stefan

Re: displaying the EUR-Sign in normal buffers

[Piet van Oostrum]

>>>>> Klaus Berndl <Klaus.Berndl@sdm.de> (KB) writes:

KB> :-) Ok, i will try to be more precise: If a posting contains the EUR sign
KB> (€) then it is displayed automatically (means i have nothing to configure
KB> in Gnus for this) correctly in the summary-buffer as well as in the
KB> message- or article buffer.

This is because in the header the charset is given as iso-8859-15 and
(probably) the correct code for € is used.

KB> If for example i insert an EUR sign (€) in Microsoft Word, copy it to the
KB> clipboard and try to insert it into a normal Emacs-buffer (e.g. *scratch*)
KB> then i get only \200.

KB> Ok, after this my *current-language-environment* has value "Latin-9" which
KB> seems to be correct but nevertheless i have no success with inserting an
KB> EUR sign (€), neither by pasting from the clipboard (still getting \200)
KB> nor by hitting the key-combination (German keyboard: Alt Gr + e) which
KB> inserts € into a Word-document for example (in Emacs no reaction means
KB> nothing is inserted).

\200 is not a valid code in Latin-9 (iso-8859-15), but it is the code for
€ in Windows. So you either have to use the Windows character encoding (I
think it is character set 1252) or use the proper code for Latin-9 (0xA4).
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Re: displaying the EUR-Sign in normal buffers

[Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>]

> If for example i insert an EUR sign (€) in Microsoft Word, copy it to the
> clipboard and try to insert it into a normal Emacs-buffer (e.g. *scratch*)
> then i get only \200.

I actually accidentally just bumped into the answer:
Your clipboard/word thing is encoded in codepage 1252 (an MS-only
extension of latin-1) where the euro is available as char 128
(i.e. 200 in octal).
So you should try and set your interprogram coding system to cp1252.
I'm not sure how to do that.  And I think that Emacs-21.2's support for
cp1252 is incomplete.


        Stefan

Re: displaying the EUR-Sign in normal buffers

[ken]

The octal for (the extended ASCII of) the Euro sign is 244.  So to get 
it in emacs, do C-q 244 RETURN (or SPACE or whatever).  This works for 
me.  I'm using 8859-1 encoding.

Yeah, you might have to do a search-and-replace on cut-n-pasted 
documents, but it's better than using a crayon on your monitor.  :)


hth,
ken

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Spake Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com> at 16:34 (UTC-0400) on 7 Oct 2002:

= > If for example i insert an EUR sign (€) in Microsoft Word, copy it to the
= > clipboard and try to insert it into a normal Emacs-buffer (e.g. *scratch*)
= > then i get only \200.
= 
= I actually accidentally just bumped into the answer:
= Your clipboard/word thing is encoded in codepage 1252 (an MS-only
= extension of latin-1) where the euro is available as char 128
= (i.e. 200 in octal).
= So you should try and set your interprogram coding system to cp1252.
= I'm not sure how to do that.  And I think that Emacs-21.2's support for
= cp1252 is incomplete.
= 
= 
=         Stefan
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Re: displaying the EUR-Sign in normal buffers

[Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>]

>>>>> "ken" == ken  <ken@cleveland.lug.net> writes:
> The octal for (the extended ASCII of) the Euro sign is 244.

Sadly, this is meaningless because the octal code depends on the
encoding used.  In cp1252 it's 128, in latin-9 is something else,
in utf-8 it's yet something else, ...

> So to get  it in emacs, do C-q 244 RETURN (or SPACE or whatever).
> This works for  me.  I'm using 8859-1 encoding.

No, you're not using 8859-1 encoding because that encoding does not have
any Euro sign at all.

I feel like I'm sounding very harsh, tho.  Maybe I've had a bad day,
I don't know.  I apologize in advance.


        Stefan

Re: displaying the EUR-Sign in normal buffers

[ken]

You might be right.  I've got some alternate language sets installed.  

Do a gcc on the file below:

<chars.c>
#include <stdio.h>

main()
{
  int i;
  
  for(i = 1; i < 256; i++) 
    printf("%3d\t%3o\t%c\n", i, i, i);
  
}
</chars.c>

then run the executable.  The columns are Decimal, Octal, and the 
corresponding character.  Is octal 244 your Euro sign?


hth,
ken

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Spake Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com> at 18:40 (UTC-0400) on 7 Oct 2002:

= >>>>> "ken" == ken  <ken@cleveland.lug.net> writes:
= > The octal for (the extended ASCII of) the Euro sign is 244.
= 
= Sadly, this is meaningless because the octal code depends on the
= encoding used.  In cp1252 it's 128, in latin-9 is something else,
= in utf-8 it's yet something else, ...
= 
= > So to get  it in emacs, do C-q 244 RETURN (or SPACE or whatever).
= > This works for  me.  I'm using 8859-1 encoding.
= 
= No, you're not using 8859-1 encoding because that encoding does not have
= any Euro sign at all.
= 
= I feel like I'm sounding very harsh, tho.  Maybe I've had a bad day,
= I don't know.  I apologize in advance.
= 
= 
=         Stefan
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