From: "Stefan Monnier" <monnier+gnu.emacs.help/news/@flint.cs.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: global-set-key [? \ M-ö]
Date: 28 May 2003 13:53:12 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5ln0h7q7p3.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.6914.1054137212.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Yes, but the bug might be a design bug. If that is so, we cannot tell
> users "please wait for a few years until we redesign the darn thing."
Of course, but I haven't seen such a thing w.r.t binding-non-ASCII-keys
and unibyte.
>> In the OP's case, I'm pretty sure the problem is that Emacs does not
>> properly set the keyboard coding-system.
> IIRC, there's more here than meets the eye. Binding non-ASCII keys in
> a .emacs requires that (a) Emacs reads the key correctly from the init
> file and converts it to the internal representation that the user
> meant, and (b) that keyboard decoding produces a code that matches
> what was read from the init file. It could be a bit tricky to satisfy
> both in a given language environment, since .emacs files generally
> don't have coding cookies.
We're talking about adding a unibyte-cookie, right ?
So we can assume that adding a coding-cookie is an acceptable cost
if it saves us from a unibyte-cookie.
> Also, if I'm not mistaken, non-ASCII keys
> with modifiers are very hard to express unless you go unibyte.
I've never heard of any such difficulty. [?\M-é] works fine here.
Oh wait, you're probably referring to "\M-é", which probably won't work,
indeed. But the "keys in a string" thingy should best be forgotten
anyway: either use a vector or use `kbd'.
>> I don't think the manual should encourage to use workarounds (e.g. set
>> the unibyte:t cookie in your .emacs) rather than real fixes (set the
>> keyboard coding system properly).
> Unless setting keyboard coding system doesn't always solve the
> problem, that is.
Setting the unibyte cookie doesn't either always solve the problem.
Right now I know of no case where setting the unibyte cookie solves
the problem while setting the keyboard-coding-system doesn't, which
is why I suggest we recommend setting the keyboard-coding-system.
Of course, there might be cases where a unibyte-keyboard with
unibyte-.emacs works better, but I haven't seen them yet.
Stefan
PS: BTW, when I say keyboard-coding-system I also mean locale-coding-system
(since that's what is used in X and in W32 for the keyboard events).
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Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-05-19 19:55 global-set-key [?\ M-ö] Martin aus Chemnitz
[not found] ` <87of1ybr5p.fsf@bach.composers>
2003-05-19 21:44 ` global-set-key [? \M-ö] Jesper Harder
2003-05-21 7:41 ` global-set-key [?\ M-ö] Martin aus Chemnitz
2003-05-21 15:55 ` global-set-key [? \M-ö] Stefan Monnier
2003-05-22 9:59 ` global-set-key [?\ M-ö] Martin aus Chemnitz
2003-05-22 13:24 ` global-set-key [? \M-ö] Stefan Monnier
2003-05-22 16:43 ` global-set-key [?\ M-ö] Martin aus Chemnitz
2003-05-22 17:41 ` global-set-key [? \M-ö] Stefan Monnier
2003-05-22 19:01 ` global-set-key [?\ M-ö] Martin aus Chemnitz
2003-05-22 20:49 ` global-set-key [? \M-ö] Stefan Monnier
2003-05-24 9:18 ` global-set-key [?\ M-ö] Eli Zaretskii
2003-05-24 9:02 ` global-set-key [? \M-ö] Harald Maier
2003-05-24 9:16 ` global-set-key [?\ M-ö] Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.6685.1053767730.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-05-24 15:10 ` global-set-key [? \ M-ö] Stefan Monnier
2003-05-28 3:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.6886.1054093722.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-05-28 9:17 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-29 10:45 ` Martin aus Chemnitz
2003-05-29 11:56 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-29 12:35 ` Martin aus Chemnitz
2003-05-29 13:13 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-29 13:55 ` Martin aus Chemnitz
2003-05-29 14:19 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-29 14:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-05-28 14:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-05-28 15:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.6914.1054137212.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-05-28 16:51 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-28 19:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.6936.1054151969.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-05-29 8:23 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-29 13:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-05-28 17:53 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2003-05-28 20:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.6937.1054152210.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-05-28 20:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-05-29 8:25 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-25 23:22 ` global-set-key [?\ M-ö] Martin aus Chemnitz
2003-05-26 0:05 ` global-set-key [? \ M-ö] Stefan Monnier
2003-05-26 5:22 ` global-set-key [?\ M-ö] Kai Großjohann
2003-05-26 6:23 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-26 17:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-05-22 16:38 ` global-set-key [?\M-ö] Kai Großjohann
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