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>>>>> "FF" == François Fleuret <francois.fleuret@noos.fr> writes:
> It seems that what people usually do to control how the buffer cna be
> altered (after a quick look at gnus, vm, rmail etc.) consists in
> remaping all key one by one ...

You got the relation going in the wrong way: they do the rebinding because
the default ones don't work anyway (because they made the buffer
read-only), so they replace them with something more useful.


        Stefan