From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier " Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: MULE shows gibberish; now what? Date: 05 Oct 2002 12:07:13 -0400 Organization: Yale University Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <5lit0gj2dq.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <5lwup7kw31.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <5lzntvijqv.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1033834918 6762 127.0.0.1 (5 Oct 2002 16:21:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17xrgi-0001ks-00 for ; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 18:21:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17xrg4-0002nl-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:21:16 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.ycc.yale.edu!rum.cs.yale.edu!rum.cs.yale.edu Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 51 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: rum.cs.yale.edu User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: rum.cs.yale.edu X-Original-Trace: 5 Oct 2002 12:07:13 -0400, rum.cs.yale.edu Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:105752 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:2297 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:2297 >> Or does this Emacs come from some RPM or some other such package where >> the packagers might have changed the default ? > How would I find it? The one who installed it should know. But if you can't ask him or if he doesn't know, then... >> > Font or fontset: -misc-fixed-bold-*-*-*-*-140-75-75-*-*-*-1 >> This is odd. Maybe the other poster (can't remember who it was) > Hmm, do not remember seeing this message... >> was right: your Xserver has a weird font setup with an alias >> from -iso8859-5 >> to -Cronyx-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--15-140-75-75-C-90-RAWIN-R. >> Can you try to look for RAWIN in the output of something like >> xlsfonts -ll -fn '*-iso8859-5' > OK, *this* I can do remotely. ;-) Done: > name: -cronyx-courier-bold-o-normal--10-100-75-75-m-60-iso8859-5 [...] > FONT -Cronyx-Courier-Bold-O-Normal--10-100-75-75-M-60-RAWIN-R So that's indeed the problem. What kind of system is that ? Solaris ? GNU/Linux ? Which distribution ? Mandrake ? Debian ? It would be good if you could figure out where the alias for the fontname comes from, so we can try and make sure it won't happen again. > Etc. A lot of them... In fact there are 3 fonts which have > CHARSET_REGISTRY ISO8859, they have FOUNDRY ETL. How do I convince > emacs to use them in preference to FOUNDRY Cronyx ones? I don't know enough about fontsets to figure that out. Emacs should have better ways to specify preferences in the choice of fonts when several "seemingly equivalent" fonts are found. But nobody has bothered to write the code yet. > BTW, why -etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-80-iso8859-5 is > not prefered to the other guy automatically? What are the criteria? I think there's no criteria for this. It does sort the matching fonts according to some criteria, but it only considers the size/boldness/... to decide which is the closest match. The handling of `family' and `foundry' could use some improvement. > What can a sysadm do to fix this misconfiguration of thinking that > rawin-r is iso8859-5 (if it is one)? Yes, it is a misconfiguration since the two encodings are not the same. A sysadmin can just look at the /some/where/fonts.aliases file and remove the bogus alias. Stefan