> I just find westerners naive. As is saying that peace will be 
established in exchange for conceding some territories - also naive.  
Ukraine held a third of nuclear weapons and many bombers - and gave them 
all up thinking that such actions would ensure its future security.

Ukraine was mostly forced to concede it's nuclear weapons in exchange 
for it's territorial integrity and sovereignty in 1991 this deal was 
done by Leonid Kravchuk (first president of ukraine who was strongly 
pro-russian and anti-western as evident by his affiliation with Dynamo 
Group and political affiliations) with the soviet union (now russia).

Calling this "western naivity" is historically flawed.

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Nothing is perfect thus why it's important to maintain it, improve it 
over time and enable everyone to join on the effort.

The European Union is not going to concede any territory and will defend 
every inch of it.

On 3/1/22 15:34, Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text 
editor wrote:
> goncholden wrote:
>
>> Am not criticising you. Just stating how things are. One can
>> make comments and have all the good intentions in the world.
>> I just find westerners naive.
> Eh, we westerners are the only ones who have a force
> comparable to Russia's ...
>
> But no one is saying NATO or even Ukraine is perfect in
> any way!
>
> We focus on this war in particular, it's as simple as that.
>
>> As is saying that peace will be established in exchange for
>> conceding some territories - also naive.
> Well, you said it so you describe yourself I take it ...
>
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