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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Subhan Michael Tindall <SubhanT@familycareinc.org>,
	Ralf Fassel <ralfixx@gmx.de>,
	help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: RE: When do you prefer frames instead of windows?
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:22:02 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <59d15d97-e43c-47ab-8eb2-a254cca25229@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <268779ff22324d23bbbcc8c8d1effb5d@fcmailsvr3.familycareinc.org>

> > Yes, this is why Emacs should provide simple key sequences to
> > raise and refocus frames.
>
> Raise-frame and lower-frame can be easily bound to whatever keys
> you like.

Of course.

> Other-frame is already bound by default to C-x 5 0
> It can't get much easier than that.

Yes, it can.  If you have 30 frames then you don't want to cycle
through them to get to the frame you want.  Same problem with
windows and `C-x o', but there you are limited to the windows
in a single frame (by default), and it is less likely that you
will have 30 of them, or even 10.

Cycling through lots of candidates, even given the additional
(prefix-arg) possibility of specifying how many to go forward
or back, is a pretty rudimentary UI when there are many candidates.

It can definitely get easier than that.  One possibility is to
let you (i.e., optionally) choose a window/frame by name, with
completion.

> There's a host of functions for frame management, try C-h a
> frame for many more

Still not good enough, IMHO.  There is lots of room for
improving how Emacs plays with frames.

FWIW, this is what I bind to `C-x o':

,----
| C-x o runs the command icicle-other-window-or-frame, which is an
| interactive compiled Lisp function in `icicles-cmd1.el'.
| 
| It is bound to C-x o.
| 
| (icicle-other-window-or-frame ARG)
| 
| Select a window or frame, by name or by order.
| This command combines Emacs commands `other-window' and `other-frame',
| together with Icicles commands `icicle-select-window',
| `icicle-select-frame', and `icicle-choose-window-for-buffer-display'.
| Use the prefix argument to choose the behavior, as follows:
| 
|  With no prefix arg or a non-zero numeric prefix arg:
|   If the selected frame has multiple windows, then this is
|   `other-window'.  Otherwise, it is `other-frame'.
| 
|  With a zero prefix arg (e.g. `C-0'):
|   If the selected frame has multiple windows, then this is
|   `icicle-select-window' with windows in the frame as candidates.
|   Otherwise (single-window frame), this is `icicle-select-frame'.
| 
|  With plain `C-u':
|   If the selected frame has multiple windows, then this is
|   `icicle-select-window' with windows from all visible frames as
|   candidates.  Otherwise, this is `icicle-select-frame'.
| 
|  With plain `C-u C-u':
|   Same as `icicle-select-window' with a negative prefix arg: Select a
|   window from any frame, including iconified and invisible frames.
|   
|  With plain `C-u C-u C-u':
|   This is `icicle-choose-window-for-buffer-display', with windows from
|   all frames (i.e., iconified and invisible) frames as candidates. 
| 
| If you use library `oneonone.el' with a standalone minibuffer frame,
| and if option `1on1-remap-other-frame-command-flag' is non-nil, then
| frame selection can include the standalone minibuffer frame.
| 
| By default, Icicle mode remaps all key sequences that are normally
| bound to `other-window' to `icicle-other-window-or-frame'.  If you do
| not want this remapping, then customize option
| `icicle-top-level-key-bindings'.
`----



  reply	other threads:[~2014-11-25 22:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 205+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-24 16:40 When do you prefer frames instead of windows? Raffaele Ricciardi
2014-11-24 17:20 ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25  8:03   ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2014-11-25 15:46     ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25 15:54       ` Gian Uberto Lauri
2014-11-25  8:33   ` When do you prefer windows instead of frames? Was: " H. Dieter Wilhelm
2014-11-25 15:46     ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25 18:40       ` MBR
2014-11-25 18:52         ` Drew Adams
2014-11-26  2:31         ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-19 16:08         ` Jude DaShiell
2014-11-25  8:52   ` Rainer M Krug
2014-11-24 19:10 ` MBR
2014-11-24 19:14   ` Drew Adams
2014-11-24 22:12 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
     [not found] ` <mailman.14497.1416867184.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-25  0:59   ` Barry Margolin
2014-11-25  1:29 ` Robert Thorpe
2014-11-25  4:21   ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25  8:54     ` Rainer M Krug
2014-11-25 15:47       ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25  1:45 ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-25  9:27 ` Ralf Fassel
2014-11-25 15:47   ` Drew Adams
     [not found]   ` <mailman.14554.1416930453.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-25 15:57     ` Ralf Fassel
2014-11-25 16:57       ` Drew Adams
     [not found]       ` <mailman.14564.1416934703.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-25 17:16         ` Ralf Fassel
2014-11-25 18:09           ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25 22:08             ` Subhan Michael Tindall
2014-11-25 22:22               ` Drew Adams [this message]
     [not found]             ` <mailman.14600.1416953316.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-26  9:34               ` Joost Kremers
2014-11-25 22:02           ` Subhan Michael Tindall
2014-11-26  5:02       ` Yuri Khan
     [not found] ` <mailman.14479.1416849631.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-11-24 17:47   ` Barry Margolin
2014-11-24 18:06     ` Jai Dayal
2014-11-25 17:32   ` Joost Kremers
     [not found]   ` <<slrnm79f8k.a37.joost.m.kremers@j.kremers4.news.arnhem.chello.nl>
2014-11-25 18:09     ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25 22:28 ` Bob Proulx
2014-11-25 22:54   ` Drew Adams
2014-11-26  8:12     ` Alan Schmitt
2014-11-26 13:42       ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2014-11-28 13:51       ` Tom Davey
2014-11-28 15:39         ` Drew Adams
2014-11-26 16:37 ` Ken Goldman
2014-11-27 21:02 ` Chris F.A. Johnson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-11-01 16:08 bounds-of-thing-at-point for paragraphs Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 18:22 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 18:34   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 18:45     ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 18:52       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 19:00         ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 20:07           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:06             ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 22:36               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:47                 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 22:52                   ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 23:14                     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-02  1:07                       ` Drew Adams
2020-11-02  4:09                         ` Robert Thorpe
2020-11-02 15:41                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-03  6:00                             ` Corwin Brust
2020-11-03  6:40                               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-03  7:41                                 ` Corwin Brust
2020-11-03 16:07                                   ` Drew Adams
2020-11-06 23:45                                     ` Corwin Brust
2020-11-07  1:26                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-02  6:07                     ` finder-commentary Jean Louis
2020-11-02 15:48                       ` finder-commentary Drew Adams
2020-11-02 16:02                         ` finder-commentary Drew Adams
2020-11-02 16:58                           ` finder-commentary Jean Louis
2020-11-02 17:27                             ` finder-commentary Drew Adams
2020-11-01 22:49                 ` RE: RE: bounds-of-thing-at-point for paragraphs Jean Louis
2020-11-01 22:51                 ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 23:10                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-02  1:05                     ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 20:36           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 21:32             ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-01 21:43               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 21:43               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 19:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 19:51           ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 20:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 20:09               ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 20:13                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-01 20:27                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-11-01 20:31                   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:10                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2020-11-01 21:46             ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 20:23           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-01 20:29             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-01 22:10               ` Drew Adams
2020-11-01 21:01             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-01 18:45     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-01 18:51       ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <mailman.5042.1543777897.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-12-04  9:04 ` using setq to create lists based on other lists Barry Margolin
2018-12-04 13:56   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-05  1:07   ` Robert Thorpe
2018-12-05  2:32     ` Drew Adams
2018-12-05  6:45       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-05  8:00         ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-12-05  8:11           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-05 14:57         ` Drew Adams
     [not found]         ` <mailman.5218.1544021892.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-12-05 16:59           ` Barry Margolin
     [not found]     ` <mailman.5186.1543978155.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-12-05 16:50       ` Barry Margolin
     [not found]   ` <mailman.5145.1543931778.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-12-05 16:47     ` Barry Margolin
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2018-01-13  0:43 ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-13  3:43   ` info-find-source Robert Thorpe
2018-01-13  5:23     ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-13 16:31       ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-14  7:03         ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-16 23:10           ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-13 15:50     ` info-find-source Drew Adams
     [not found]     ` <mailman.7314.1515821013.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-14  2:57       ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-14  7:00         ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]         ` <mailman.7369.1515913231.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-15  4:17           ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15 18:54             ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]             ` <mailman.7435.1516042498.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-15 19:55               ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-16 23:58                 ` info-find-source Robert Thorpe
2018-01-19  6:22                 ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.7609.1516342943.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-19  7:12                   ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-19 20:31                     ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
2018-01-19 21:05                       ` info-find-source Drew Adams
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.7653.1516395915.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-19 22:19                         ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-19 23:21                           ` info-find-source Drew Adams
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.7656.1516404112.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-20 19:49                             ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-20 20:18                               ` info-find-source Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                               ` <<83bmhos2qd.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-01-20 23:50                                 ` info-find-source Drew Adams
2018-01-21  0:04                               ` info-find-source Drew Adams
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.7695.1516493072.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-21 11:49                                 ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.7650.1516393881.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-19 20:43                       ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-13  5:17   ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]   ` <mailman.7313.1515820700.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-14  2:54     ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2018-01-15 18:52       ` info-find-source Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]       ` <mailman.7433.1516042345.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-01-15 19:50         ` info-find-source Emanuel Berg
2016-08-03  9:30 How to get back to a place in a buffer, or: what is a window configuration? Marcin Borkowski
2016-08-03 11:25 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-08-03 18:31   ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-08-03 14:42 ` Drew Adams
2016-08-03 18:42   ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-08-03 19:39     ` Drew Adams
2016-08-03 21:47 ` Robert Thorpe
2016-08-03 22:06   ` Drew Adams
2016-05-13 14:20 Overriding emacs key bindings xiongtk
2016-05-16 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-16 21:15   ` xiongtk
2016-05-16 18:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-16 21:14   ` xiongtk
2016-05-16 23:29     ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  1:55       ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-17  2:41         ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  4:07           ` Drew Adams
2016-05-17  3:25         ` Kaushal Modi
2016-05-17  4:07           ` Drew Adams
2016-05-17  4:15           ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17 20:38           ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-17  4:07         ` Drew Adams
2016-05-18  1:42           ` Emacs conventions (was: Re: Overriding emacs key bindings) Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18  4:38             ` Drew Adams
2016-05-18  5:22               ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18  5:36                 ` "First line is not a complete sentence" (was: Re: Emacs conventions (was: Re: Overriding emacs key bindings)) Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.40.1463549841.6543.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-05-18 13:27                   ` Joost Kremers
2016-05-19  4:32                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]             ` <mailman.37.1463546355.6543.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-05-18 14:31               ` Emacs conventions (was: Re: Overriding emacs key bindings) Barry Margolin
2016-05-19  4:38                 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  4:44         ` Overriding emacs key bindings Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-17 20:37           ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-18  2:21             ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18 20:34               ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-19  1:33                 ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-18 17:52             ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-18 20:30               ` Robert Thorpe
2016-05-17  4:43       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-18  1:51         ` Emanuel Berg
2016-05-17  4:49       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-05-18  2:02         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-03-03  0:47 Opening a bookmark in the init file Robert Thorpe
2015-03-03  0:56 ` Drew Adams
2015-03-03  2:32   ` Robert Thorpe
2015-03-08 19:18     ` Robert Thorpe
2015-03-08 21:24       ` Drew Adams
2015-03-08 21:48         ` Robert Thorpe
2015-03-08 22:52           ` Drew Adams
2015-01-14 22:12 Info: how to get back from a footnote Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-15  2:42 ` Robert Thorpe
2015-01-15  3:11   ` Drew Adams
2015-01-15  5:51   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-01-16  2:38     ` Robert Thorpe
     [not found] <mailman.16504.1419019164.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-12-29  4:21 ` Abbrevs for the most frequent elisp symbols Emanuel Berg
2014-12-29 11:24   ` Marcin Borkowski
2014-12-29 13:09     ` Robert Thorpe
2014-12-29 15:28       ` Drew Adams
2014-12-29 16:28         ` Robert Thorpe
2014-12-29 13:26     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 13:40       ` Marcin Borkowski
2014-12-29 14:57         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-29 15:49   ` Tom
     [not found]   ` <mailman.16844.1419852282.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-01-03  2:25     ` Emanuel Berg
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     [not found]       ` <mailman.17204.1420330787.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-01-05 21:16         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-01-08 20:53           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-03  2:31     ` Emanuel Berg
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