From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Emacs discussed on US NPR Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 13:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5929621e-367b-4781-97dd-db5f439c9152@default> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1432845043 11818 80.91.229.3 (28 May 2015 20:30:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:30:43 +0000 (UTC) To: Stefan Monnier , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 28 22:30:31 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yy4Rj-00059b-8u for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 May 2015 22:30:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60658 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yy4Ri-0001Rx-Js for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 May 2015 16:30:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34654) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yy4RY-0001RY-4Y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2015 16:30:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yy4RU-0007qJ-1G for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2015 16:30:20 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:46223) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yy4RT-0007pU-R1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 May 2015 16:30:15 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t4SKUDRi012194 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 May 2015 20:30:14 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t4SKUDfB031643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 May 2015 20:30:13 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t4SKUCWn022272; Thu, 28 May 2015 20:30:13 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104642 Archived-At: > > is a discussion which begins with emacs and then progresses to > > open source software in general. >=20 > Sorry, no headphones to listen to the talk here. > Does it talk about Free Software as well? Stefan You might be interested in this comment (the only one so far, it seems), from a veteran Electrical Engineer in Santa Clara, CA: ... At the age of eighteen, my fingers learned to build emacs keyboard macros and I think I can use them in my sleep. I still use GNUemacs (and Aquamacs) every day. Since, aside from venues such as the present one, I eschew use of all media tar babies such as the FacebookianInstaTwitterverse, you'd think I'd cocooned myself far from the "app" madding crowd. But, no. Now when I get tired of some little set of quirks in the last release of GNUemacs to want to try my luck at the latest release, I must gird myself for a new bunch of "features", just like those suffered by MS Office users. The only consolation is being able to recall my tiny understanding of LISP well enough to address the problem myself. Until, of course, I have to use some other modified emacs on a foreign host. Sometimes I wish that all software types would just Stop Doing Stuff. Alas, one person's shiny new "modernization" is another person's annoying Clippy-the-not-so-helpful-helper.