From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: rustom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs key bindings through the ages Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:26:51 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <5588daf5-c96f-461d-9d01-2a736ad4d38d@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <1195020235.983333.46390@o38g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <85hcjnrdfa.fsf@usenet.my.skamphausen.de> <9cdd2de9-993b-4eae-87c4-0ea884bfd97e@w73g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1195216852 26243 80.91.229.12 (16 Nov 2007 12:40:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:40:52 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 16 13:40:58 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1It0V5-0001dN-KB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:40:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It0Us-00076P-J2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:40:34 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 32 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 59.95.16.158 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1195216011 30014 127.0.0.1 (16 Nov 2007 12:26:51 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:26:51 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=59.95.16.158; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070508 Iceweasel/2.0.0.4 (Debian-2.0.0.4-0etch1), gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Content-Disposition: inline Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:153855 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:49283 Archived-At: On Nov 16, 2:33 am, bramble wrote: > By the way, are there any Emacs key bindings that the community in general doesn't like (aside from Xah ;) ), > but that the powers that be adamantly refuse to change? An odd one (odd to me, anyway) is using C-x r m ... When I first read about emacs in Interactive Programming Environments 25 years, ago this question would have seemed like an oxymoron -- after all the whole point was that you should have your bindings and I mine and a thousand Xahs should flourish. Unfortunately it seems that extensibility in theory and in practice are different things... For example consider: 1. There are a hundred or so(?) color themes and Ive spent some time trying to select one that is not so bright for my tired eyes but whatever Ive tried, invariably some face or other in some mode or other becomes invisible. 2. There are several hundred fonts available in principle but the proportional ones that are easier on the eyes cant maintain indentation 3. Likewise keybindings. After Lennart pointed towards 'sticky keys' I immediately tried them out but I found it too intrusive -- it keeps popping up some dialog at me. Of course more fine-tuning may be possible -- having shift as a 'chord' but alt and control as 'sticky' but I dont know how to do it. So to answer your question: are there keybindings I dont like: Well I dont like to have to 'chord' -- it hurts. I wish I could have keybindings like vi -- single key-commands for the hand, powerful modes in the head -- the look like eclipse -- multiple proportional fonts -- on top of emacs' extensibility.