From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?windows-1252?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Can pdb (Python debugger) in Emacs be as efficient as a graphical debugger outside of Emacs that uses a mouse? Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 10:08:39 +0100 Message-ID: <54CDED17.6020108@easy-emacs.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1422781774 6543 80.91.229.3 (1 Feb 2015 09:09:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 09:09:34 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 01 10:09:34 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YHqX7-0007tC-Rz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2015 10:09:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43993 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YHqX7-00062b-3x for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2015 04:09:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48122) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YHqWw-00062W-N0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2015 04:09:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YHqWt-00040c-GJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2015 04:09:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.24]:51479) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YHqWt-00040Y-7g for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2015 04:09:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.32] ([77.6.155.145]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M03PY-1XNX0r2Ehw-00uHIm for ; Sun, 01 Feb 2015 10:09:17 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/31.4.0 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:IpG5fIFVlfwYJOGKoVGfuUjT4RlUbUVKwS6udWXR4qj9+npUSPN iHamj08M1fzH8/5i3Gx4ljgYT6ooSaWZiMLJzKZr6qrgs1mkQBUB+dDq6dRrxQJuXgn9JVX i807WlKrH1ebzD1pZEQizMBIbqaUTSqUGaFVhzf8kcvrUiXzanG4YD02epcdK2PzBZeekFp gQRwYJazLHHIhoN3dI7UA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.24 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:102414 Archived-At: On 01.02.2015 06:53, Chris Seberino wrote: > I tend to think Emacs can do many things more efficiently with the keyboard and without a mouse. > > I want to believe that is true for debugging but I'm not as sure. > > I've used DDD which allows one to quickly scroll through code and set breakpoints with a mouse. Furthermore, a second window is immediately available to display output. > > I'm not sure running pdb from a shell inside of Emacs can compete with that. Because pdb is command line driven it seems it will be faster. > > Is this something that is NOT faster inside of Emacs and actually BENEFITS from a mouse? > > cs > Basically Emacs should be able to display similar info which would be available from other environments. Remains the question if it is implemented resp. configured accordingly. Don't see the mouse-question at stake at all here. It might help to have some example case, some screenshot, which info you expect at which point. Andreas