From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rusi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 21:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53fc8fd4-2a3e-4937-bc17-6bf6d5bfff5a@googlegroups.com> References: <87fv77barj.fsf@gnu.org> <87zj5fgpd8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83h9rnp0yy.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3qnl70z.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <837fsfm7gq.fsf@gnu.org> <991d9b3f-e2f4-4977-9e78-99d39b04ede5@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431403822 13668 80.91.229.3 (12 May 2015 04:10:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 04:10:22 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 12 06:10:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ys1WM-0006H7-PO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 May 2015 06:10:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40711 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ys1WL-0002SL-Rx for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 May 2015 00:10:17 -0400 X-Received: by 10.66.224.49 with SMTP id qz17mr23608097pac.20.1431403657371; Mon, 11 May 2015 21:07:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.152.102 with SMTP id ux6mr286482igb.0.1431403657328; Mon, 11 May 2015 21:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!m20no10452273iga.0!news-out.google.com!kd3ni14582igb.0!nntp.google.com!m20no2237106iga.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=59.88.164.228; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 59.88.164.228 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 04:07:37 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:212128 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104413 Archived-At: On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 11:40:12 PM UTC+5:30, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > No, those are not use cases for a *tutorial*. Those are use cases for > > a demo or a user guide or an introduction/overview. > > I disagree. Someone who's interested in trying out Emacs might like to > write some Python code (say), and might be better served by a tutorial > that showcases what Emacs can do in that specific context, focusing on > how to use various features like completion, eldoc, interaction with an > inferior process, installing new ELPA packages, looking up help, > tweaking the indentation rules, ... Around the time org mode manual crossed the 200(?) page mark there was some talk of having a mini-manual or something like that At that time I suggested that since org is a world in itself a bunch of intros targeted at specific audiences may be a good idea: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2011-03/msg00660.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2009-02/msg00197.html Since emacs is a superset of org half dozen emacs-intros from different slants could certainly help