From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: I am confused: why Emacs keybindings in OS X? Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:34:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52c0bcab-c37e-4ecb-960e-5b46dcc10c2f@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1453883750 28994 80.91.229.3 (27 Jan 2016 08:35:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 08:35:50 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 27 09:35:50 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aOLZU-0007Su-6o for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:35:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48571 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aOLZO-0006Qm-8z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 03:35:18 -0500 X-Received: by 10.13.216.22 with SMTP id a22mr25309723ywe.28.1453883644705; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:34:04 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.225.101 with SMTP id rj5mr710213igc.3.1453883644678; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:34:04 -0800 (PST) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!94no7563657qgt.1!news-out.google.com!l1ni9125igd.0!nntp.google.com!h5no10009561igh.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=73.202.17.74; posting-account=wcF3XAoAAADpxbRZm2Z27inMlnZjMIWc Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 73.202.17.74 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 08:34:04 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:216586 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:108878 Archived-At: Enigmas or Cruel Jokes? I have avoided Apple and Microsoft operating systems for 20+ years; yet thi= s year, I was required to use Apple and OSX for a new job, and decided to p= lunge in head first. I was in for some revelations and some confusions. 1. Emacs is hardly found in any GNU/Linux distro, except if installed by on= eself. Yet, in OS X, it is there, ready to go. ???? What is the history= of this? 2. On OS X, Emacs keybindings (or what I call Emacs Keybindings) for naviga= tion, at least, are ubiquitous. (And the iMac keyboard is much more comfor= table to type on that a similar laptop keyboard from a Thinkpad.) Yet, Ema= cs on OS X, at least in my case, does not adhere to the same keybindings as= closely is on Linux. WTF?! 3. I have grown comfortable with much of what is happening on the OS X syst= em. Yet, I have found that for all the proprietary claims that I have lost= data and (on and iphone) contacts have been randomly lost. I think my pos= ition is going to be something like that I have read by Donald Knuth: I wil= l only trust my family jewels to GNU/Linux. So I have gone back to GNU/Lin= ux. =20 And, guess what? The Emacs keybindings are not de rigeur on the GNU/Linux = system!!! =20 I am NOT comfortable with a few ethical/philosophical issues. In particula= r, for example, CUPS works really, really well on OS X. The boycott agains= t Apple is off, but Apple is still not paying it forward. I am more than u= ncomfortable with Apple's attempt to ensnare users in a consumer mode. =20 Do the keybindings of Emacs, and of the desktop on OS X derive from a commo= n ancestor, independently, or is something darker at work? Alan