From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter S Galbraith Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Knoppix is not entirely free software Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:00:16 -0500 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <515.1068836416@mixed> References: <17659.1068784236@mixed> <8296-Fri14Nov2003093610+0200-eliz@elta.co.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1068836542 12384 80.91.224.253 (14 Nov 2003 19:02:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 14 20:02:11 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AKjCs-0007Ep-01 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:02:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AKk9t-0001Yg-SC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:03:09 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AKk8v-0001IP-Ih for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:02:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AKk8N-00015E-T5 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:02:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [66.110.136.11] (helo=mixed.dyndns.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AKk8N-00014t-GX; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:01:35 -0500 Original-Received: by mixed.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6759B71A34; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:00:17 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mixed (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mixed.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6486F71A32; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:00:17 -0500 (EST) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: Message from Eli Zaretskii of "Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:36:10 +0200." <8296-Fri14Nov2003093610+0200-eliz@elta.co.il> X-Mailer: MH-E 7.4.2+cvs; nmh 1.1-RC1; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 X-Image-URL: http://people.debian.org/~psg/face.png X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:14209 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:14209 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:30:36 -0500 > > From: Peter S Galbraith > > > > > > If he has changed his policies in the meantime, please tell me; that > > > would be good news. But otherwise, please do not recommend the use of > > > Knoppix on GNU mailing lists. Please recommend only entirely free > > > software. > > > > I'll likely regret this, but: > > > > $ grep netscape browse-url.el | wc > > 38 161 2011 > > The fact that Netscape is mentioned in browse-url.el doesn't mean > Emacs recommends it, just that it uses it when it's the only tool to > do a certain job. When a free and a non-free program can be used to > do the same job, Emacs ought to use the free one, though. If you can > spot such cases in browse-url, please report them as bugs. That's not what RMS said a few weeks ago when he was told we had support for glimpse in MH-E. He said: : : I am a huge fan of mail indexing programs like: swish++, mairix, : : glimpse, namazu etc. : : I seem to recall that glimpse is or was non-free. I don't know about : the others. Can you check which of these are non-free? We don't : want Gnus or MH-E to refer to them. So we removed support for glimpse. So how is netscape support in browse-url any different? Should we revert that change from CVS? (I _did_ say I'd regret bringing this up.) Peter