* How can I change the keys? @ 2008-04-10 22:15 Cesar_BCN 2008-04-10 22:53 ` weber 2008-04-11 19:50 ` Xah Lee 0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Cesar_BCN @ 2008-04-10 22:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Hello I'm trying to change the first keys row functionality. I want to press a key (for instance: the '8' key) and emacs writte the symbol that result of typing Shift+key (for instance: the '(' symbol ). But I want to be able to writte numbers with the numeric keyboard. To the moment I have not esitate so when I change the key '8' (for instance) the other '8' key (from the numeric keyboard) is changed too. Does someone of you have the answer? Thanks so much. César BCN cesarTMP (AT) gmail (DOT) com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: How can I change the keys? 2008-04-10 22:15 How can I change the keys? Cesar_BCN @ 2008-04-10 22:53 ` weber 2008-04-11 19:50 ` Xah Lee 1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: weber @ 2008-04-10 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On Apr 10, 7:15 pm, Cesar_BCN <cesar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello > > I'm trying to change the first keys row functionality. I want to press > a key (for instance: the '8' key) and emacs writte the symbol that > result of typing Shift+key (for instance: the '(' symbol ). > > But I want to be able to writte numbers with the numeric keyboard. > > To the moment I have not esitate so when I change the key '8' (for > instance) the other '8' key (from the numeric keyboard) is changed > too. > > Does someone of you have the answer? > > Thanks so much. > > César BCN > cesarTMP (AT) gmail (DOT) com First section: http://www.zafar.se/bkz/Articles/EmacsTips Cheers ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: How can I change the keys? 2008-04-10 22:15 How can I change the keys? Cesar_BCN 2008-04-10 22:53 ` weber @ 2008-04-11 19:50 ` Xah Lee 2008-04-12 5:13 ` Timothy Hobbs [not found] ` <mailman.10288.1207977249.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Xah Lee @ 2008-04-11 19:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Cesar_BCN wrote: «I'm trying to change the first keys row functionality. I want to press a key (for instance: the '8' key) and emacs writte the symbol that result of typing Shift+key (for instance: the '(' symbol ).» I tried this for a few weeks sometimes in 2007 and find it not satisfactory, partly because in other apps you then have to switch your mental mode. A solution is to do it system-wide, but then when you use other computers (library, coworker, etc), its still a problem. Also, system-wide keymap change using default system technology do not work satisfactorily under OSX for some technical complication reasons. Namely, it is not possible to change certain basic keymaps. (in OS X for example, certain key combination event is not seen by the system, but other even/system take precedence) (For technical detail, see bottom of: “Mac OS X Keybinding and Unicode Tips” at http://xahlee.org/emacs/osx_keybinding.html ) A solution is to use 3rd-party software that actually modify the OS core in some way. I haven't tried to do extensive keymapping under unix (xmodmap) or Windows, but i'm pretty sure the situation is similar. ------------------- But to do what you want, see: How to Define Keyboard Shortcuts in Emacs http://xahlee.org/emacs/keyboard_shortcuts.html basically like this: (global-set-key (kbd "1") (lambda () (insert "!"))) ... (global-set-key (kbd "<kp-1>") (lambda () (insert "1"))) ... again there are complications. Some mode will actually not respect it. (a solution is either to modify each mode's keymap or use some other complicated elisp mechanism to rebind or swap keys) Also, NeXT Emacs (aka “Emacs.app”) on the Mac has a bug that it doesn't support any keybindings using the numerical keypad. In summary, my experiences is that when you modify keybinding in some unusual way (such as in your case), you run into other misc problems, limitations, complications,... so at the end i find it not worthwhile. Another suggestion is to type numbers by turning the keys under your right hand into a keypad, with a modifier down. (similar to notebook computer keyboards) I've tried this scheme by using Ctrl+Shift as the modifier key... but again after a few weeks didn't find this satisfactory. --------------------- Personally, regardless of typing in emacs or elsewhere, i've developed a habit in the past maybe 4 years to always type the num keys using the top row (as opposed to the keypad). The keypad i used as special buttons bind to emacs functions. (i.e. like giving you extra 10 or so function keys) To insert any matching pairs such as (), [], {}, “”,«»,「」etc, i've bound them to hyper key with keys right under my right hand's home row. (and cursor movement keys are similar but bound to meta) Example: ;; make cursor movement keys under right hand's home-row. (global-set-key (kbd "M-j") 'backward-char) ; was indent-new-comment- line (global-set-key (kbd "M-l") 'forward-char) ; was downcase-word (global-set-key (kbd "M-i") 'previous-line) ; was tab-to-tab-stop (global-set-key (kbd "M-k") 'next-line) ; was kill-sentence (global-set-key (kbd "M-SPC") 'set-mark-command) ; was just-one-space ;; type parens in pairs with Hyper and right hands's home-row (global-set-key (kbd "H-j") (lambda () (interactive) (insert "{}") (backward-char 1))) (global-set-key (kbd "H-k") (lambda () (interactive) (insert "()") (backward-char 1))) (global-set-key (kbd "H-l") (lambda () (interactive) (insert "[]") (backward-char 1))) Also, i've using dvorak since about 1993. Also, my emacs shortcuts set is extensively modified. See: A Ergonomic Keyboard Shortcut Layout For Emacs http://xahlee.org/emacs/ergonomic_emacs_keybinding.html Xah xah@xahlee.org ∑ http://xahlee.org/ ☄ On Apr 10, 3:15 pm, Cesar_BCN <cesar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello > > I'm trying to change the first keys row functionality. I want to press > a key (for instance: the '8' key) and emacs writte the symbol that > result of typing Shift+key (for instance: the '(' symbol ). > > But I want to be able to writte numbers with the numeric keyboard. > > To the moment I have not esitate so when I change the key '8' (for > instance) the other '8' key (from the numeric keyboard) is changed > too. > > Does someone of you have the answer? > > Thanks so much. > > César BCN > cesarTMP (AT) gmail (DOT) com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: How can I change the keys? 2008-04-11 19:50 ` Xah Lee @ 2008-04-12 5:13 ` Timothy Hobbs [not found] ` <mailman.10288.1207977249.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Timothy Hobbs @ 2008-04-12 5:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: EMACS list I do not know about Macs, but in both windows and X11, remapping of the keyboard is easy, and safe. With windows, I suggest http://www.randyrants.com/2006/07/sharpkeys_211.html which, as of a few years ago worked like a charm(my dad's even used it on vista, though only for the CAPS-LOCK/SHIFT switch. xmodmap is also possible to use, though it has some definite complications. xmodmap has the advantage that in my suggested method, you will be able to press shift-1 and get 1, while 1 will give you ! . Here is how I suggest doing this project. 1. Get a piece of paper(ya, like the white crinkly stuff you make spitballs with). 2. Get a pencil or pen, or prick yourself with a needle, or some other writing utensil. 3. Open up a terminal emulator in a window manager that's sane. 4. Type 'xev'. 5. Type '1', write down the KEYCODE(for '1' this is 10), that xev printed into the terminal emulator window, onto your piece of paper. Now press shift-1, and write down the KEYSYM on your sheet, for shift-1 this is exclam. REPEAT for all numbers. 6. Kill the xev window. 7. Type "cd ~/; nano .xmodmap-numbershifter RET" into the terminal emulator window. 8. Type "keycode KEYCODE = KEYSYM NUMBER RET" into your terminal emulator window. EXAMPLE: keycode 10 = exclam 1 REPEAT for the rest of your keys. 9. Save the file in nano. 10. Type xmodmap .xmodmap-numbershifter 11. Press some numbers on both the top and the keypad, using shift on the top as well to test it. 12. Type "nano .xsession RET" 13. Type "xmodmap /home/NAME/.xmodmap-numbershifter RET" 14. Restart X 15. Repeat step 11 OPTIONAL 16. If the key mappings went away... You should try steps 12 and 13 on .xinitrc instead of .xsession... Hope this helps. Timothy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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* Re: How can I change the keys? [not found] ` <mailman.10288.1207977249.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2008-04-12 9:13 ` Rupert Swarbrick 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Rupert Swarbrick @ 2008-04-12 9:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Using nano!!? Rupert ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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