how to turn on showing end of file?

how to turn on showing end of file?

[jidanni]

I recall I was able to have some indication
of the end of file, e.g., tildes below.
However nowadays it seems it is gone.
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Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 14.09.2009 um 22:19 schrieb jidanni:

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Modern Emacsen use the fringes for this purpose.

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Greetings

   Pete

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	Didn't work the first time.

Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[jidanni]

>>>>> "PD" == Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:

PD> Modern Emacsen use the fringes for this purpose.
Yes, but they are gone for me, as are the tildes in
$ emacs -nw /etc/motd

Yes I can see the fringe-mode marker when a line wraps, or the \ when using
-nw, but I can no longer see any of the tilde stuff for after the end of file.

Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[Andreas Politz]

jidanni@jidanni.org writes:

>>>>>> "PD" == Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:
>
> PD> Modern Emacsen use the fringes for this purpose.
> Yes, but they are gone for me, as are the tildes in
> $ emacs -nw /etc/motd
>
> Yes I can see the fringe-mode marker when a line wraps, or the \ when using
> -nw, but I can no longer see any of the tilde stuff for after the end of file.

Any chance you are confusing emacs with vim, which has this `tilde
stuff' ?

-ap

Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[jidanni]

OK, I need to put
(setq indicate-buffer-boundaries t
      indicate-empty-lines       t)
into some hook that gets called for every buffer, here in emacs-version "23.1.50.1".

Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[jidanni]

Indeed, I had
(setq indicate-empty-lines t)
but here in emacs-version "23.1.50.1" it is no longer inherited into
every buffer. One needs to put it into some hook.

Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[jidanni]

OK: (setq-default indicate-empty-lines t) solved.

Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[jidanni]

OK, here is how I was vicitmized.

I used to use
(setq default-indicate-empty-lines t)

A few days ago I got the message
Compiling file /home/jidanni/.emacs ...
.emacs:436:7:Warning: `default-indicate-empty-lines' is an obsolete variable
    (as of Emacs 23.2); use `indicate-empty-lines' instead.

(I wonder how what people who don't compile their .emacs file will get
that news.)

So I changed it to
(setq indicate-empty-lines t)

Then after a few days I started wondering where the indicators went.

So one needs to change it to
(setq-default indicate-empty-lines t)
surprize surprize :-(

Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 14.09.2009 um 23:41 schrieb jidanni:

> surprize surprize :-(


I'd simply use the customise interface! Writing Elisp code...

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Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[jidanni]

PD> I'd simply use the customise interface! Writing Elisp code...
Sorry, for me I hate the customise interface, and can only deal with
(setq ...) stuff.

CUSTOMIZE: Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[David Combs]

In article <mailman.6691.1252971966.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
 <jidanni@jidanni.org> wrote:
>PD> I'd simply use the customise interface! Writing Elisp code...
>Sorry, for me I hate the customise interface, and can only deal with
>(setq ...) stuff.
>
>

I myself have never been able to profitably use the
customize interface.

MY problem is that, as with many menu-driven gui-interfaces (eg
   main --> syntax --> foo-words --> regexp-search-for-special-word--FOO ),

is that I have no idea how to find anything, no idea of where to 
even look for something.

What would be *really* nice would be a command that, starting
at whatever customize-node you're corrently at, would draw (indented text)
the entire "subtree" of it, all the way down to the leaf items.

AND really nice if also could output a .pdf-file of it -- and
if it turned out that same leaf item occurred under several
subtrees, so the tree became a directed graph, then via
some nifty-clever graph-drawing algorithm (such as at
Brown univ's site devoted to them), something we
could browse over via mouse, zoom, etc, even print out,
scotch-tape pages together, and hang on wall.

Plus the probably impossible: when new items added, some
kind of (graphic?) diff?

Otherwise, for me it's *info* and M-x Occur on the index,
that kind of thing.


PLEASE -- SOMEONE make customize easier to find things in!

Thanks!

David

Re: CUSTOMIZE: Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[Tim X]

dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) writes:

> In article <mailman.6691.1252971966.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
>  <jidanni@jidanni.org> wrote:
>>PD> I'd simply use the customise interface! Writing Elisp code...
>>Sorry, for me I hate the customise interface, and can only deal with
>>(setq ...) stuff.
>>
>>
>
> I myself have never been able to profitably use the
> customize interface.
>
> MY problem is that, as with many menu-driven gui-interfaces (eg
>    main --> syntax --> foo-words --> regexp-search-for-special-word--FOO ),
>
> is that I have no idea how to find anything, no idea of where to 
> even look for something.
>
> What would be *really* nice would be a command that, starting
> at whatever customize-node you're corrently at, would draw (indented text)
> the entire "subtree" of it, all the way down to the leaf items.
>
> AND really nice if also could output a .pdf-file of it -- and
> if it turned out that same leaf item occurred under several
> subtrees, so the tree became a directed graph, then via
> some nifty-clever graph-drawing algorithm (such as at
> Brown univ's site devoted to them), something we
> could browse over via mouse, zoom, etc, even print out,
> scotch-tape pages together, and hang on wall.
>
> Plus the probably impossible: when new items added, some
> kind of (graphic?) diff?
>
> Otherwise, for me it's *info* and M-x Occur on the index,
> that kind of thing.
>
>
> PLEASE -- SOMEONE make customize easier to find things in!
>
> Thanks!
>
> David
>
>
>

A couple of things that may make customize easier for you

1. M-x customize-group. All customizations are part of a group. These
groups are in a hierarchy with the group 'emacs' at the top. Using this
command, you can jump into just a specific group. For example, if you
wanted to customize things relating to ecb, you would enter ecb at the
prompt for M-x customize-group. You also have completion available, so
you can see what groups exist. 

2. Generally speaking, if you do a 'describe' on a variable, if that
variable has a 'customize' interface, it will have a line in the output
saying sometihghin like

"This variable can be customized'

where customized is underlined and is a hyperlink. Clicking on it will
bring up the customize buffer for that variable. 

3. You also have  a lot of other customize functions that will provide
   you with lots of other ways to work with customize, such as

   M-x customize-variable, which gives the customize interface for a
   specific variable
   M-x customize-apropos which does a apropos just for customize
   variable
   M-x customize-face to customize a specific face. By default, it will
   do the face under point.
   m-x customize-option

and then there are a heap for selecting variables that have been set
through customize, ones that have not been set etc.

While it took me a long time to switch to using customize, now that I
have, its really useful - especially the cusotmize-group command. I've
also found that in some cases, setting the value through customize gives
much better/more reliable results than doing it via elisp in my .emacs
file. Not sure why there is a difference, but in some cases, there
certainly is.

Tim
  
   


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Re: CUSTOMIZE: Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[David Combs]

OK, thanks.

I'll have another go at customize!


Thanks


David

Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: jidanni@jidanni.org
> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:41:38 +0800
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> 
> OK, here is how I was vicitmized.
> 
> I used to use
> (setq default-indicate-empty-lines t)
> 
> A few days ago I got the message
> Compiling file /home/jidanni/.emacs ...
> .emacs:436:7:Warning: `default-indicate-empty-lines' is an obsolete variable
>     (as of Emacs 23.2); use `indicate-empty-lines' instead.
> 
> (I wonder how what people who don't compile their .emacs file will get
> that news.)

From etc/NEWS, of course:

   ** All the default-FOO variables that hold the default value of the FOO
   variable, are now declared obsolete.

Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[Sébastien Vauban]

Hi Eli,

Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: jidanni-8D0D3YcSAvhAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org
>>
>> Warning: `default-indicate-empty-lines' is an obsolete variable
>>     (as of Emacs 23.2); use `indicate-empty-lines' instead.
>
> From etc/NEWS, of course:
>
>    ** All the default-FOO variables that hold the default value of the FOO
>    variable, are now declared obsolete.

Really ALL those variables beginning with `default-', such as:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
    (setq default-case-fold-search t)
    (setq default-directory "XXX")
    (setq default-frame-alist '((tool-bar-lines . 1)))
    (setq default-enable-multibyte-characters t)
    (setq default-input-method "latin-1-prefix")
    (setq default-major-mode 'org-mode)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Is, then, the following correct starting from Emacs 23.2?

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
    (setq-default case-fold-search t)
    (setq-default directory "XXX")
    (setq-default frame-alist '((tool-bar-lines . 1)))
    (setq-default enable-multibyte-characters t)
    (setq-default input-method "latin-1-prefix")
    (setq-default major-mode 'org-mode)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Thanks for giving this precision...

Best regards,
  Seb

-- 
Sébastien Vauban

Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[Kevin Rodgers]

Sébastien Vauban wrote:
> Hi Eli,
> 
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>> From: jidanni@jidanni.org
>>>
>>> Warning: `default-indicate-empty-lines' is an obsolete variable
>>>     (as of Emacs 23.2); use `indicate-empty-lines' instead.
>> From etc/NEWS, of course:
>>
>>    ** All the default-FOO variables that hold the default value of the FOO
>>    variable, are now declared obsolete.
> 
> Really ALL those variables beginning with `default-', such as:
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>     (setq default-case-fold-search t)
>     (setq default-directory "XXX")
>     (setq default-frame-alist '((tool-bar-lines . 1)))
>     (setq default-enable-multibyte-characters t)
>     (setq default-input-method "latin-1-prefix")
>     (setq default-major-mode 'org-mode)
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

No, only those variables that hold the default value of the FOO variable.  E.g.
there is no `directory' variable.

Try: C-h d \`Default value of

> Is, then, the following correct starting from Emacs 23.2?
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>     (setq-default case-fold-search t)
>     (setq-default directory "XXX")
>     (setq-default frame-alist '((tool-bar-lines . 1)))
>     (setq-default enable-multibyte-characters t)
>     (setq-default input-method "latin-1-prefix")
>     (setq-default major-mode 'org-mode)
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

No.

> Thanks for giving this precision...

-- 
Kevin Rodgers
Denver, Colorado, USA

Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[Sébastien Vauban]

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Hi Kevin,

Kevin Rodgers wrote:
> Sébastien Vauban wrote:
>> Hi Eli,
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>>> From: jidanni-8D0D3YcSAvhAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org
>>>>
>>>> Warning: `default-indicate-empty-lines' is an obsolete variable
>>>>     (as of Emacs 23.2); use `indicate-empty-lines' instead.
>>> From etc/NEWS, of course:
>>>
>>>    ** All the default-FOO variables that hold the default value of the FOO
>>>    variable, are now declared obsolete.
>>
>> Really ALL those variables beginning with `default-', such as:
>>
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>>     (setq default-case-fold-search t)
>>     (setq default-directory "XXX")
>>     (setq default-frame-alist '((tool-bar-lines . 1)))
>>     (setq default-enable-multibyte-characters t)
>>     (setq default-input-method "latin-1-prefix")
>>     (setq default-major-mode 'org-mode)
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> No, only those variables that hold the default value of the FOO variable.

Right. Of course, that seems obvious now that it is said!  Indeed...


> Try: C-h d \`Default value of

I don't understand why, but even without the backquote, I have an error when
trying the above command:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp t)
  string-match("\\(of\\|value\\|Default\\).+\\(of\\|value\\|Default\\)" t)
  apropos-documentation-internal(t)
  #[(symbol) "Æ\b!\x11\bÇN‰\x12¨ƒ\x0f

Re: how to turn on showing end of file?

[jidanni]

(info "(emacs) Useless Whitespace")
     To enable this feature, set the buffer-local variable
  `indicate-empty-lines' to a non-`nil' value.  The default value of this
  variable is controlled by the variable `default-indicate-empty-lines';<---Hey, isn't that deprecated?
  by setting that variable, you can enable or disable this feature for
  all new buffers.  (This feature currently doesn't work on text-only
  terminals.)<---So that's why I can't see the tildes, and not due to trying vim.
>>>>> "AP" == Andreas Politz <politza@fh-trier.de> writes:
>> -nw, but I can no longer see any of the tilde stuff for after the end of file.
AP> Any chance you are confusing emacs with vim, which has this `tilde
AP> stuff' ?