From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Barry Margolin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Oldest running Emacs version Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 15:31:12 GMT Organization: Genuity Managed Services, Woburn, MA Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <4zQta.13$_74.922@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052236609 997 80.91.224.249 (6 May 2003 15:56:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 06 17:56:45 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19D4lO-0008Q3-00 for ; Tue, 06 May 2003 17:53:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19D4iG-0002mc-05 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 11:50:40 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news.compaq.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!mtvwca1-snh1.ops.genuity.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Mail-Copies-To: never X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) Originator: barmar@genuity.net (Barry Margolin) Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Trace: /bJ8XX1FPn09q41hnCt1ikp28FzcEN1UtxHDMITIDWVaTt+JnAG45QMZJ0tatAUc2bj2FloqDnvG!qLFQkldXhLGgMNWjBU6SBl5ArfVj8y+o+24Z5WzBGCai+iWRjqv97zNR1rgpZcaGwRgNp62Mfb6q!IbLPrw4fHYFU Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 15:31:12 GMT Original-Distribution: world Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112846 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9341 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9341 In article , Niels Freimann wrote: >On Tuesday 06 May 2003 01:08, Barry Margolin wrote: > >> t's almost certainly ITS EMACS, which runs on PDP-10/20 machines running ITS >> or TOPS-20. > >No, it cant be true. ITS editor macros was written entirely in TECO and >not Lisp. It was ported to Tenex and TOPS-20 operating systems by Stallman >and McMahon. Therefore both the ITS and the TOPS-20 emacsens were TECO , >and not maclisp (multics) or moclisp (unix), emacsens. What the posters found >on the pdp-10 emulator was not Richards ITS emacs. ITS was an experimental >OS of the MIT written by hackers. I know, I was there from 1979 to 1983. The first EMACS I used was ITS EMACS, then Multics Emacs. Over the years I've also used Gosling (later renamed Unipress) Emacs, Zimmerman's Emacs, ZWEI, Epsilon, and TV. I don't know what you've got, but it's not Multics Emacs. I was the last maintainer of Multics Emacs, when I worked for Honeywell Bull until they cancelled Multics development. It was never ported to any other system. It wouldn't have been impossible, but it would have been quite a bit of work, because it made use of lots of Multics-specific features. There are a few other Emacs-like editors for PDP-10's. For instance, Mike Kazar at CMU wrote FINE. However, Craig Finseth's FAQ on Emacs implementations doesn't list any of them that use Lisp as their extension language. -- Barry Margolin, barry.margolin@level3.com Genuity Managed Services, a Level(3) Company, Woburn, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group.